Bad business (Kokane for example)

[SGV]

Kokane's chance passed years ago. Dude couldn't do it with Eazy. Was lucky enough to get a shot with Dre and Snoop and couldn't do it then, either. He's made the bad business decisions. By all means, dude should have a nice stack in his pocket after his work on 2001 and Last Meal... but he's not a business man. Don't blame others for his problems.

LMAO @ "When people are saying that kokane isn't a great rapper, but they worship the ground Game walks on, doesn't it make sense for me to compare the two?"

Kokane is nowhere near Game's level lyrically. He (Game) may not be the most complex emcee of all time, but he still has a hot flow and pens great tracks. Kokane will NOT be remembered as a rapper. He'll always be that dude that was on half the hooks on Last Meal OR as the cat that was on Ruthless.

[Tanjential]

^ truth.-T

[The King]

He (Game) may not be the most complex emcee of all time, but he still has a hot flow and pens great tracks.

Well thats your opinion, I can't even listen to a Game track anymore, his subject matter and lyrics are beyond aweful. I'd rather listen to Laffy taffy on repeat then any Game track. And I'm not even into lyrics, lyrics don't matter to me. But the things Game raps about, the name dropping, the Dre dick riding, the 94, all that shit, its unberiable. Maybe if it was just one track, but every track hes ever made is exactly the same. Theirs no theme to the music, its just pointless repetitive words. Entertain us Game. And penning great tracks is a huge stretch.. even for someone as one dimensional as Game. Hes the got the lyrical presence of a lamp shade.

[SGV]

Songs like "One Night" and "Doctors Advocate" show Game's depth. He's more than your one dimensional shallow rapper. He opens up and lets everyone in to a side of him that you usually don't see. You sound a little bitter toward Game for some reason. But coming from someone who was feeling Game when he first came out with JT and later lost interest (only to regain the interest after 300 Bars), to becoming a believer again (since Doctors Advocate dropped), I can't see how anyone could say Game is anything BUT lyrical.

He has tracks for everyone and can rock with anyone, on any style track.

[Tanjential]

that's true, he comes very lyrical on alot of that mixtape stuff in a way that he doesn't on the albums.

-T

[Diggfinger]

He released one of the best west coast albums of the year man. Painkillers was easy top 5, and my favorite album of the year, better then DA. Kokane has a good ear for the beats, is a real artist, and writes his own stuff. He has a unique style, and isn't the same lame assed rapper. How many rappers are their like the Game, or Xzibit? Tons, their everywhere. Its so f*cking boring. They all sound the same. How many rappers like Kokane? None like him. Hes original. Now maybe you like listening to the same shit over and over, but when you want something real, something original, go with kokane. His flow is unmatched, just check out "Way you do", no artist I can think of can touch that.

^^ PREACH!!!

I can honestly say, hardly to anyone's surprise, that I agree with you 100%. Most rap is boring. I mean c'mon, hearing about bitches and switches is cool for a while for it gets soooooooooooooooo trivial o my God. Kokane is unique. NOBODY can copy him (ok Jelly sound similar on a select few songs but still gets nowhere near having the persona and style  that Koka has).
And dude is a true artist. I have been following his career for years now and it just amazing to find out that he is not only an amazing song writer (wrote all his stuff on Painkillerz) but also an amazing rapper (yes rapper, suckaz got bakin soda in they shit ) singer, producer I mean dude just does it all.

And what's even more surprising is: most rap fans shake they ass to Snoop or Dre songs when Kokane is on them, dont give a funk about Koka when he puts out solo stuff though, but he keeps being in the game! WHy is that? I think artists (Young Yoker, Young Smoker whatever they're names are) realize just how hard it is to differentiate themselves from other dudes in the game, so they need ppl like Koka. He is unique, like it or not
well anyway, ppl who felt alot of pain in their lives will appreciate Kokane's personality and humor...but the masses probably never will.
DOesnt matter though. Imma rapp it up by listing just a few people who Kokane have worked with over the years to let the suckaz know what time it is...

George Clinton
Bootsy Collins
Dr. Dre
Snoop Dogg
Ice Cube
MC Eiht
Cypress Hill
Warren G
Too Short
Suga Free
Above The Law
Battlecat
Tha Eastsidaz
Ras Kass
Big Lurch
Hi-C
Kurupt
Roscoe
Jayo Felony
Kam
40 Glocc
E-40
Xzibit
Bad Azz
Down
Knightowl
Mac Dre
Spice 1
Yukmouth......list goes on

[Diggfinger]

Kokane's chance passed years ago. Dude couldn't do it with Eazy. Was lucky enough to get a shot with Dre and Snoop and couldn't do it then, either. He's made the bad business decisions. By all means, dude should have a nice stack in his pocket after his work on 2001 and Last Meal... but he's not a business man. Don't blame others for his problems.

LMAO @ "When people are saying that kokane isn't a great rapper, but they worship the ground Game walks on, doesn't it make sense for me to compare the two?"

Kokane is nowhere near Game's level lyrically. He (Game) may not be the most complex emcee of all time, but he still has a hot flow and pens great tracks. Kokane will NOT be remembered as a rapper. He'll always be that dude that was on half the hooks on Last Meal OR as the cat that was on Ruthless.

The thing about Kokane though is that dude is deep. You have to really try and understand what he has been through in the game (and in life) to really comprehend his talent. I mean picture it: dude was fresh outta high-school around 1990, dropped cuts with his cousin Cold 187Um and Above The Law and started getting 20.000$ checks from a rap-game hall-of-famer (Eazy E). All of a sudden though Eazy was gone, Ruthless fell apart and Kokane was living with his family in a trailer park just doing whatever necessary to feed his wife and 5 or 6 kids. This was about '96. He clearly had a fan base, but with Eazy gone no one was backing him up in the industry.

Then came his break with Dre (appearing on Chronic 2001) and Snoop (Snoop putting him on Tha Last Meal and Tha Eastsidaz's records) which I could imagine finally gave some hope for Koka. But the Doggystyle situation didnt really turn out as Koka had presumably hoped, seeing as how all he ended up with was a scrapped record. Guess that was why he was madda than a mutha at Snoop...Im not saying it's right but you have to understand what dude is/was going through. I can't imagine feeding a wife and 8 kids being an easy task, and  he had, once again,  been let down by the industry.

with that in mind, it just makes u appreciate his raps and choruses even more...I mean, take the new Young Buck track for instance (Haters):
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ALEAI4LN

"The streets aint got no love/
these niggas dont feel my pain (oh these niggas dont know what I've been through mayn)
But I aint even looking for love (I aint looking for all your self-pity)
A gangsta just doing his thang....."

whooo  Koka isnt just a rapper/singer, he is a real person just displaying his real emotions and thoughts (be they bad or good, positive or negative).
With all the crap Koka has been through its nothing short of amazing that he can still maintain his wonderful, cheerful spirit.

I mean, stuff like he did on Above The Law's "Gangsta Madness" from 94...
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=64T9ZOS1

"Some time we all gotta gooo
but we never knoooow
when we aaalll gotta gooo
living in this world is a give or take
Im only human so I will make mistakes....thiiings will never chaaaange"

BOO YAA! That was 94 Kokane is a FUNK-A-TEER  and for those want the good ol' rapping Kokane, here is a track from 91 called "Nickel Slick Nigga" (straight rap)

Kokane - Nickel Slick Nigga http://www.megaupload.com/?d=VB23L7I2

And this track is Koka basically re-doing a track his father (Jerry Long Sr., produced for Marvin Gaye and wrote for Motown) once did...

Kokane - Smiling Faces http://www.megaupload.com/?d=LZSJV9RT

[Tanjential]

truth^

-T

[Diggfinger]

Here's a dope track called "There's a Woman" (aka. "Thugs Need Love"), an unreleased track from the Doggystyle record Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Kane.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=AQ4GXEEE