DJ Premier(yes this is west coast relevant)

[Tanjential]

Why is it okay to sing 2pac 2pac 2pac 2pac 2pac 2pac 2pac all day long and as soon as someone talks about someone who WASN'T shooting people all their lives, it's' whack? I hate that people criticize the Dre tribute. jazz artists do tribute albums to thelonius monk all the time. quik worked on a roger troutman tribute...why can't Game do a dre tribute album? Peopl in the hip hop community are all too homophobic, insecure about their sexuality. This conversation wouldn't be happening in a rock forum.

not a criticism of anyone in particular, just the trend of hating in Game's dre tribute in general.

-T

[d-nice]

Why is it okay to sing 2pac 2pac 2pac 2pac 2pac 2pac 2pac all day long and as soon as someone talks about someone who WASN'T shooting people all their lives, it's' whack? I hate that people criticize the Dre tribute. jazz artists do tribute albums to thelonius monk all the time. quik worked on a roger troutman tribute...why can't Game do a dre tribute album? Peopl in the hip hop community are all too homophobic, insecure about their sexuality. This conversation wouldn't be happening in a rock forum.

not a criticism of anyone in particular, just the trend of hating in Game's dre tribute in general.

-T

People say the same about the Outlawz doing that with 2pac. Game is not doing a tribute album. He wants all the credit and recognition for the album and bringing the west back but you are screaming Dre every other word. You see what I'm saying? DA the track with Busta was enough for me, after that it got tiresome. I still love the album, that is just a part I did not like.If Game wants to do a tribute album, then do it. Quik does the talkbox like Roger but he adds his own twist to it. Same with jazz performers. If people wanted to hear covers of songs they would just rather listen to the real thing. Especially in hip hop because it is a personal music form. And Game be acting like he is bi-polar. One minute he gives praise and the next he is mad at Dre so I take alot of the stuff he says for face value at that time.

[Tanjential]

I totally feel your points, but when I say tribute I don't mean covers. A tribute is just some work in honor of. DA is a complete and total celebration of Dre's music. To me, that's the face value that I take it as.

-T

[d-nice]

I totally feel your points, but when I say tribute I don't mean covers. A tribute is just some work in honor of. DA is a complete and total celebration of Dre's music. To me, that's the face value that I take it as.

-T

I guess what I meant to say was that it sounds like he is doing a tribute album with all of the Dre drops. But all in all I still like Game's music along with many other west coast artists and I support it to the fullest.

[Tanjential]

for sure man, just discussin'.

-T

[d-nice]

But I do not think Dre could collaborate on enough albums out west to really make that classic sound again. I think he can do like Snoop said and do a beat for some artists out west to use on their albums.

[Tanjential]

what i've noticed is that unless he's producing a whole album, the dre stamp no longer equals classic.  So I'd rather he didn't do a beat per new WC artist because that's 20 tracks I gotta download from 20 different cds, i'd rather purchase two cds each with 10 dope dre tracks.  but yeah, that would defo help artists out. he should just toss snoop a bunch of beats he has no interest in or intentions for. out of all of those, there would surely be some bangers.

-T

[d-nice]

what i've noticed is that unless he's producing a whole album, the dre stamp no longer equals classic.  So I'd rather he didn't do a beat per new WC artist because that's 20 tracks I gotta download from 20 different cds, i'd rather purchase two cds each with 10 dope dre tracks.  but yeah, that would defo help artists out. he should just toss snoop a bunch of beats he has no interest in or intentions for. out of all of those, there would surely be some bangers.

-T

That was crazy on that interview that D.O.C. did when he said Dre be shreading beat cds that he does not like. I am sure for his standards it is probably not suitable but like DOC said he could give those beats to somebody else. Dre should just have a production company. That or trim down his label so he would have more time to do a artist's whole album.

[Tanjential]

don't dre, hi-tek, and focus and a few other cats constitute aftermath's production company?

-T

[d-nice]

don't dre, hi-tek, and focus and a few other cats constitute aftermath's production company?

-T

I mean he should not have a label. It seems like he is focused on 1 or 2 artists and the rest get pushed back or never come out. If he just had the production crew, artists could come to him and negotiate deals for their albums.

[Tanjential]

don't dre, hi-tek, and focus and a few other cats constitute aftermath's production company?

-T

I mean he should not have a label. It seems like he is focused on 1 or 2 artists and the rest get pushed back or never come out. If he just had the production crew, artists could come to him and negotiate deals for their albums.

Yeah dre has too much desire to break new artists in. What he should realize is that he can make classic after classic easily with established artists. Shit, he could make classic after classic with artists period if he sat down with a motherfucker and wrote 10 songs.

is 10 songs really that much work? GodDAMN. All i wanted was 10 songs with rakim. 10 songs with hitt.  damnit. -T

[d-nice]

don't dre, hi-tek, and focus and a few other cats constitute aftermath's production company?

-T

I mean he should not have a label. It seems like he is focused on 1 or 2 artists and the rest get pushed back or never come out. If he just had the production crew, artists could come to him and negotiate deals for their albums.

Yeah dre has too much desire to break new artists in. What he should realize is that he can make classic after classic easily with established artists. Shit, he could make classic after classic with artists period if he sat down with a motherfucker and wrote 10 songs.

is 10 songs really that much work? GodDAMN. All i wanted was 10 songs with rakim. 10 songs with hitt.  damnit. -T

I still cannot understand how you have creative differences with Rakim. But some things are just not meant to be.

[MediumL]

If Dre worked with the older artists yall would complain he isnt putting enough work into establishing new wc artists. He's trying to make bishop blow up and will probably produce tracks for other new wc artists as well. But if some guys offering $$$$$$$ for a beat then he aint gonna say no.

[Tanjential]

If Dre worked with the older artists yall would complain he isnt putting enough work into establishing new wc artists. He's trying to make bishop blow up and will probably produce tracks for other new wc artists as well. But if some guys offering $$$$$$$ for a beat then he aint gonna say no.

word -T

[eazye]

First thing, I gota agree with the fact that Premo and guys like him who are established producers and feel it's kind of a challenge for them to work with new, up and comming and hungry MCs, it's like they want to see what can the particular MC bring out of them that others haven't, on the production tip

I, personally, am perfectly happy with X's first two, and yeah a touch from Dre would've been good, but it was already straightened out that he can't be there for everyone one from the west.At the time, 1996, he worked with the artists who he thought were hungry enough for what he had to offer, and at the same time he was dealing with issues with death row, sttarting a new label, etc., so I don't think that if he would've had the time, he wouldn't have worked on X's first

What I specifically bump this thread for, is something else tho.In the 90s, on the east coast there were MANY producers that were "household" names, that were easily reachable, and carried that classic NY/hip-hop sound, therefore there were many options for an artist to choose from - you got premo, pete rock, large professor, lord finesse, buckwild, easy mo bee...and I am mentioning them all in one sentence because they are all kind of connected in way or another (marley marl thought pete rock the basics of producing, large professor did the same for Premier, he for lord finesse, etc) and they were ALL capable of bringing classic shit

I am saying the east is structured to the point that a Biggie, Nas or Jay could go to a Premier or Pete Rock and create classics like that. Dre is only 1 man. He can't work with EVERYONE on the west

damn right.Dre did his own "mentoring" if you wanna call it:
Sir Jinx - he continued to work only with Ice Cube and people from his camp, with (I think) one exception, it being G. Rap's Live and Lt Die album

Cold 187um - great producer in the period 1989-1997, but only worked with his camp.I could go on...

I've read R-Tistic posts about how DJ Quik, on his first album has used the same production techniques similar to or same as Dre's from back in the day.Speaking of Quik, he's so versatile and great and all, but he again worked mostly with his camp.My point is, the west has had great producers that can bring quality material but they've kind of limited their range of artists to work with, whereas the people from the east I've mentioned have worked with everybody and they mother...

Sorry for the rant, just some random thoguhts I had.They would've been way more coherent if I had posted them the first time they came to my mind, but I didn't really have the chance then

props to tanj and d-nice for the tthread