DJ Premier(yes this is west coast relevant)

[Okka]

how come nas and jay z get primo and clark kent on their debuts and xzibit gets whoever the fuck produced 40 dayz and speed of life

Well Xzibit had DJ Muggs, Diamond D & E-Swift producin on the 1st album, and he had Soopafly, Bud'da, Mel-Man, E-Swift etc. producin for "40 Dayz & 40 Nightz", all of those producers are good. But i get your point though.

[Mygla]

I just wanna know what Dre did with R. Kelly???

[Tanjential]

hm, in retrospect the issue here seems to be that west coast producers are trying to get a company cracking/going/cooking while east coast cats like primo and Kent were just artists on the hunt for a new sound/artist/challenge to work with.

props to eazye for leading me to that insight^

-T

[smegma]

I just wanna know what Dre did with R. Kelly???

I don't know where R-Tistic got that from, but to my knowledge Dr. Dre and R. Kelly never put out a song together. I think R-Tistic was thinking about the DJ Quik & R. Kelly song.

[40oz]

people need to stop depending on dre, we have some dope producers out here battlecat muggs rome and may other dope producers, out of topic what did jay release before reasonable doubt like mixtapes, cd's and all that

[D~Nice]

First thing, I gota agree with the fact that Premo and guys like him who are established producers and feel it's kind of a challenge for them to work with new, up and comming and hungry MCs, it's like they want to see what can the particular MC bring out of them that others haven't, on the production tip

I, personally, am perfectly happy with X's first two, and yeah a touch from Dre would've been good, but it was already straightened out that he can't be there for everyone one from the west.At the time, 1996, he worked with the artists who he thought were hungry enough for what he had to offer, and at the same time he was dealing with issues with death row, sttarting a new label, etc., so I don't think that if he would've had the time, he wouldn't have worked on X's first

What I specifically bump this thread for, is something else tho.In the 90s, on the east coast there were MANY producers that were "household" names, that were easily reachable, and carried that classic NY/hip-hop sound, therefore there were many options for an artist to choose from - you got premo, pete rock, large professor, lord finesse, buckwild, easy mo bee...and I am mentioning them all in one sentence because they are all kind of connected in way or another (marley marl thought pete rock the basics of producing, large professor did the same for Premier, he for lord finesse, etc) and they were ALL capable of bringing classic shit

I am saying the east is structured to the point that a Biggie, Nas or Jay could go to a Premier or Pete Rock and create classics like that. Dre is only 1 man. He can't work with EVERYONE on the west

damn right.Dre did his own "mentoring" if you wanna call it:
Sir Jinx - he continued to work only with Ice Cube and people from his camp, with (I think) one exception, it being G. Rap's Live and Lt Die album

Cold 187um - great producer in the period 1989-1997, but only worked with his camp.I could go on...

I've read R-Tistic posts about how DJ Quik, on his first album has used the same production techniques similar to or same as Dre's from back in the day.Speaking of Quik, he's so versatile and great and all, but he again worked mostly with his camp.My point is, the west has had great producers that can bring quality material but they've kind of limited their range of artists to work with, whereas the people from the east I've mentioned have worked with everybody and they mother...

Sorry for the rant, just some random thoguhts I had.They would've been way more coherent if I had posted them the first time they came to my mind, but I didn't really have the chance then

props to tanj and d-nice for the tthread

Agree with you 100%. Hopefully alot more dope producers out west can get their name out there and other rappers will work with them as well.

[Tanjential]

people need to stop depending on dre, we have some dope producers out here battlecat muggs rome and may other dope producers, out of topic what did jay release before reasonable doubt like mixtapes, cd's and all that

if they want that recognition, they gotta act like the head of the class and do like Primo and them did: challenge themselves to produce the hot up and comers debut records and make them classics thus blowing up new cats on the west and cementing their own status as respectable producers.

-T

[D~Nice]

people need to stop depending on dre, we have some dope producers out here battlecat muggs rome and may other dope producers, out of topic what did jay release before reasonable doubt like mixtapes, cd's and all that

if they want that recognition, they gotta act like the head of the class and do like Primo and them did: challenge themselves to produce the hot up and comers debut records and make them classics thus blowing up new cats on the west and cementing their own status as respectable producers.

-T

I like the work Mitchy Slick is doing with DJ Muggs. That dude is criminally slept on as a producer IMO

[Tanjential]

whoah, link to some of that shit?

-T

[KC-HOODSTA]

i think people(A&R's) got scared and saw how record labels(death row) were very dangerous and were very violent so they wanted nothing to do with them and were just fuckin scared. The thing about dre that ive noticed is that he is always doign somethign working on something and has no time to pay attention to new artists and it's like he sees some of the new artists and thinks he's better than them but one thing is HE WAS ONCE ONE OF THEM, now this is just my opinion. But also like most people say which is teh truth the west coast radio don't play they own emcees but of course they do play them


when i went to cali(fresno to be exact) all i heard on teh radio was the original version of thugs mansion and Knightowls song In love with a gangster(not sure if thats it) so they do show some love

and also im not sure how the radio is out there now but peopel call in and ask for songs so im just guessing peopel are not feeling they own music anymore or something

[weedhead]

So I finally bought Jay-Z's first album yesterday. Reasonable doubt, and as I listened to it and looked through the booklet I see that DJ Premier produced a bunch of it. Just like he produced Nas' debut album in 94(some of it) and they were debuts from young hungry rappers from that area who came with maad heat, based on what I've read, Nas was on some mixtape in 91 or 92 or some shit and people heard him, signed him, he makes a record and it gets dropped. I was talking about rap with an east coast head the other day (this guy is a CA resident though) and he was talking mad shit about the west coast and how west coast is fucking up. He was saying that the reason the east and south have it on lock is because as soon as anyone has some heat , a major label sets them up right and puts them out. Did it really go down that way? Did the elitist of the elite just see Nas was the next big thing immediately and immediately take the necessary steps to insure he got to do his thing? What is it about the hip-hop machine on the east coast that allows that to happen that isn't happening on the west coast?

My point is, I'm looking at nas and jay-z's  debut fucking albums and they already have production from the most respected (arguably) producer on the east coast whereas by the time Xzibit hookd up with dre he no longer had that illmatic/reasonable doubt style hunger. why does dre, for example, jump on the production roster for the new heat 3 albums in while premier is lacing dope MCs in nY out the fetus?

do the big ec producers like primo listen to mixtapes more closely or diligently or what?

how come nas and jay z get primo and clark kent on their debuts and xzibit gets whoever the fuck produced 40 dayz and speed of life and crooked I gets a no albu? Didn't he write some shit for dre, dude can't give him a beat? you guys get what I'm saying? what is about our machine on the westside that doesn't allow the new heat to immediately get some fire from the greats and drop an album?

-T

Well 40dayz was produced by Sir,jinx!!!thats dres cusin.he got classic lps homie.dont act like u dont know.

[Fraxxx]

In my opinion, Terrace Martin could be one of the next great producers if he don't stick too long to Snoop as one half of this Niggarachi project. I think he has the right understanding of how a sound has a certain mass appeal and be hot at the same time. Really liked his work until now, didn't notice a club banger yet but besides that he brings heat.

[Tanjential]

i'm not saying the cats who produce xzibit and other young west coast debuts aren't dope but Primo/Kent/Professor etc. are some of the biggest names on the east coast whereas noone was on xzibit's shit that would be known outside of CA, you dig?

I like sir jinx but having him stamp you is not equivalent to easy mo bee, large professor, pete rock, and clark kent stamping you on your debut record

-T