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A movie by Theo van Gogh and Ayaan Hirsi Ali - "Submission"
I TO DA GEEZY:
Does your definition of patriotism infer the placement of the state at the rank of a top priority in the life of a citizen?
To answer your question I'm not fully certain who 'they' are. If by 'they' you mean the ADL you would have to ask them what they would do cause I'm not a member. Personally I think a movie about a Jew\Palestinian relationship wouldn't cause that much wave. Now something more analogical to what we saw in this film would most definitely cause similar reaction especially had it involved Orthodox Jews.The national-religious identity of the maker of the film would also be in play I believe.
virtuoso:
I am not quite sure how I am supposed to answer that question, belonging to a state is more benevolent then this idea of a world government. Now of course you can cite examples where a state is truly oppressive but the western world has enjoyed freedoms, mainly because the people were willing to stand up and contest. The protection of the state from corrupt politicians who would sell a country down the river are greatly enhanced when the populous is informed, if people recognise where true dangers lie then they would not rest on their laurels. The greatest threat to England comes form the European Union, which is just another arm of the globalists, I have read that it was the trilateral commission who created the European Union but I am digressing. To answer your point people should always be aware and be aware by the acquisition of knowledge, as things currently stand in England, when you ask most people under the age of 30 what the europen union is they can only offer a shrug of the shoulders or a "oh it doesn't affect me".
As far as me using the term they, I meant there would be a concerted effort by politicians the ADL and the media, to demonise the creator of such a fim. Whereas when the muslims get angered by films depicting them in an extremely negative light, they are labelled the extremists for being fuelled with rage. Like I said, the ADL would be up in arms and as they clearly have so much influence unfortunately their voices would be heard loud and clear. It is ironic that it is somehow "crazy" for muslims to talk about people like theo van gogh as an evil unbeliever and yet whenever even faint criticism of Israel is heard it seems a legitimate course of action for the ADL to class the person as an evil jew hater, who evokes in their minds memories of the nazis.
I am not making apologies for the piece of shit that killed him by the way, whoever that was, I am merely saying that there is a great injustice being exercised everytime these double standards are deemed to be acceptable. It is this these double standards which actually fuel extremism because it sends out a clear message to the muslims that they are viewed as being lesser people than others.
King Tech Quadafi:
Dude wanted a reaction so he got one :)
I TO DA GEEZY:
See the problem here is that when you choose to place your belonging to a state at a top priority you automatically reduce other values making them ancillary. Hence, if something is percieved as threatening to the state you will tend to respond almost automatically with intrinsic hostility. That is because a patriot views himself as an organic part of the Nation as well as of its political manifestation- the state. Such values as humanity, compassion etc become secondary and apply only particularly, as opposed to universally.
As for the second point yeah the ADL is pretty ardent in its efforts so I believe it's possible.
virtuoso:
There is nothing "perceived" about the european union, they are sweeping away the nations powers thus transferring power to a centralised base. Therefore this continual draining away of sovereignty, leaves nations at the mercy of a truly powerful non elected entity. It is surely common sense to recognise the dangers from that. Everytime a new base of power is formed, far from increasing the cheques and balances it dilutes existing protections. Therefore being nationalistic is as much about wanting to preserve protection than it is having "love" for a country.
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