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Quote from: HighEyecue on January 29, 2007, 05:48:06 AMwere midway through the season and Dirk is getting my vote, Mavs without Dirk who knows where they would be, the Suns still have like 3 or 4 allstars on their team without Nashdoesnt matter, go look at their record from last year when Nash wasnt in the lineup...
were midway through the season and Dirk is getting my vote, Mavs without Dirk who knows where they would be, the Suns still have like 3 or 4 allstars on their team without Nash
Quote from: PLANT on January 29, 2007, 06:53:13 AMQuote from: HighEyecue on January 29, 2007, 05:48:06 AMwere midway through the season and Dirk is getting my vote, Mavs without Dirk who knows where they would be, the Suns still have like 3 or 4 allstars on their team without Nashdoesnt matter, go look at their record from last year when Nash wasnt in the lineup...they didn't have Amare last year, big difference
Quote from: HighEyecue on January 29, 2007, 07:13:45 AMQuote from: PLANT on January 29, 2007, 06:53:13 AMQuote from: HighEyecue on January 29, 2007, 05:48:06 AMwere midway through the season and Dirk is getting my vote, Mavs without Dirk who knows where they would be, the Suns still have like 3 or 4 allstars on their team without Nashdoesnt matter, go look at their record from last year when Nash wasnt in the lineup...they didn't have Amare last year, big differencehow is that? Amare is a 20 and 10 player, a big reason why they have the record they have this year, take him out and the Suns ain't scaring too many teams without the big maneven more reason why he should be MVP
Quote from: Now_I_Know on January 28, 2007, 07:38:58 PMGilbert Arenas - He is a better overall player who plays both ends of the court. He has a weaker supporting cast and doesn't play in a stat-inflating system, but his team is still a contender in the east and he still puts up huge numbers every game. also known for knocking down clutch shot after clutch shot. Gilbert Arenas > Steve NashDirk Nowitzki - He is a better overall player. Nash is a second (or even third) option when playing with a player like this. He has proved to be efficient, even improving his rebounding and defense the last couple of seasons, an area where Nash lacks majorly. Dirk Nowitzki >> Steve NashKobe Bryant - Self-explanitory. Leading a battered team and deferring more than ever to obtain a top record without key players. Easily the best player in the league. Kobe Bryant >>> Steve NashThose are the top MVP candidtes for now in my book. As for who should get it over Nash, that's an even more extended list. Hell, I'd even go as far as saying Nash isn't the best on his own team! They work a different system down in Phoenix, all 5 players have to be pretty much on the same level for everything to work... Honestly though, who here REALLY thinks Steve Nash is the most valuable player in the league? And who in their right mind thinks he's a 3peat MVP caliber player?! lol at nash not even being considered an mvp this year. bias like a motha fucka
Gilbert Arenas - He is a better overall player who plays both ends of the court. He has a weaker supporting cast and doesn't play in a stat-inflating system, but his team is still a contender in the east and he still puts up huge numbers every game. also known for knocking down clutch shot after clutch shot. Gilbert Arenas > Steve NashDirk Nowitzki - He is a better overall player. Nash is a second (or even third) option when playing with a player like this. He has proved to be efficient, even improving his rebounding and defense the last couple of seasons, an area where Nash lacks majorly. Dirk Nowitzki >> Steve NashKobe Bryant - Self-explanitory. Leading a battered team and deferring more than ever to obtain a top record without key players. Easily the best player in the league. Kobe Bryant >>> Steve NashThose are the top MVP candidtes for now in my book. As for who should get it over Nash, that's an even more extended list. Hell, I'd even go as far as saying Nash isn't the best on his own team! They work a different system down in Phoenix, all 5 players have to be pretty much on the same level for everything to work... Honestly though, who here REALLY thinks Steve Nash is the most valuable player in the league? And who in their right mind thinks he's a 3peat MVP caliber player?!
he might be a second option to Dirk or Kobe but the thing is that he makes the team around him THAT much better which makes him the most valuable player to have on the team. Amare wouldnt be as good without Nash, same goes for Marion, Diaw..... Those guys get AT LEAST 10 points a game becuase of Nash spoonfeeding them baskets.
If Smush was able to do the things Nash can, the Lakers would be winning as many games as Pheonix right now
Quote from: Don Jacob on January 28, 2007, 11:57:30 PMQuote from: Now_I_Know on January 28, 2007, 07:38:58 PMGilbert Arenas - He is a better overall player who plays both ends of the court. He has a weaker supporting cast and doesn't play in a stat-inflating system, but his team is still a contender in the east and he still puts up huge numbers every game. also known for knocking down clutch shot after clutch shot. Gilbert Arenas > Steve NashDirk Nowitzki - He is a better overall player. Nash is a second (or even third) option when playing with a player like this. He has proved to be efficient, even improving his rebounding and defense the last couple of seasons, an area where Nash lacks majorly. Dirk Nowitzki >> Steve NashKobe Bryant - Self-explanitory. Leading a battered team and deferring more than ever to obtain a top record without key players. Easily the best player in the league. Kobe Bryant >>> Steve NashThose are the top MVP candidtes for now in my book. As for who should get it over Nash, that's an even more extended list. Hell, I'd even go as far as saying Nash isn't the best on his own team! They work a different system down in Phoenix, all 5 players have to be pretty much on the same level for everything to work... Honestly though, who here REALLY thinks Steve Nash is the most valuable player in the league? And who in their right mind thinks he's a 3peat MVP caliber player?! lol at nash not even being considered an mvp this year. bias like a motha fuckaHow am I bias when I provided reason for what I said...Nash plays one end of the court. No one should ever win the MVP of the league playing 50% of the game...On top of that, I don't even believe he's the best player on his team, and is DEFINITELY a second option on a team with a player like Dirk or Kobe...Now, step your game up and explain why I'm wrong, or shut the fuck up with your nonsense...PeACe
Quote from: Now_I_Know on January 29, 2007, 01:05:21 PMQuote from: Don Jacob on January 28, 2007, 11:57:30 PMQuote from: Now_I_Know on January 28, 2007, 07:38:58 PMGilbert Arenas - He is a better overall player who plays both ends of the court. He has a weaker supporting cast and doesn't play in a stat-inflating system, but his team is still a contender in the east and he still puts up huge numbers every game. also known for knocking down clutch shot after clutch shot. Gilbert Arenas > Steve NashDirk Nowitzki - He is a better overall player. Nash is a second (or even third) option when playing with a player like this. He has proved to be efficient, even improving his rebounding and defense the last couple of seasons, an area where Nash lacks majorly. Dirk Nowitzki >> Steve NashKobe Bryant - Self-explanitory. Leading a battered team and deferring more than ever to obtain a top record without key players. Easily the best player in the league. Kobe Bryant >>> Steve NashThose are the top MVP candidtes for now in my book. As for who should get it over Nash, that's an even more extended list. Hell, I'd even go as far as saying Nash isn't the best on his own team! They work a different system down in Phoenix, all 5 players have to be pretty much on the same level for everything to work... Honestly though, who here REALLY thinks Steve Nash is the most valuable player in the league? And who in their right mind thinks he's a 3peat MVP caliber player?! lol at nash not even being considered an mvp this year. bias like a motha fuckaHow am I bias when I provided reason for what I said...Nash plays one end of the court. No one should ever win the MVP of the league playing 50% of the game...On top of that, I don't even believe he's the best player on his team, and is DEFINITELY a second option on a team with a player like Dirk or Kobe...Now, step your game up and explain why I'm wrong, or shut the fuck up with your nonsense...PeACenash plays the game like a soccer player, afterall in the offseason that is what he does. i believe his brother is a soccer player in canada or something. anyways. the reason WHY nash is so successful in that system is because he's built to run and gun on the wing. take out nash on that team and the suns are a team that no one takes serious ....hence the year before they get nash and the games they play without him. is nash their best scorer...no, but neither was magic when he won. is nash their best defender...no, but neither was malone or barkley when they won it either. but nash is the definate LEADER of that team. the other 11 players on that team are the car , but nash is the driver. but that's not the point of the MVP award, it's not about individual accomplishments, which probably hurt kobe last year from getting it (i think kobe deserved it last year more btw). this generation is too use to the michael jordan mold. the award is about the leader of the team with the mos impressive record, not the best record necessarily, but the most impressive. also a major factor of the award is how valuable that player is to that team. a typically that's historically how the award is voted for and defined. if we were to award the mvp trophy to the best player in the league jordan would have 10plus mvps. when malone won it a few years back. jordan was absolutely at the top of his game, the best player EVER at that moment in history. but malone won it....why? because of the way the mvp is defined, and as much as i hated malone back then i had to step back from my bias and say "he deserved it" when charles barkley won it , jordan again was the best player on. again the mvp isn't the 'best player' award it's the most valuable player award .with the way pheonix is winning and the way nash is playing.....he deserves to win it this year, imo the suns will have to go through a huge slump before nash is out of the running. and if that happens dirk is the mvp....imo arenas and kobe already fucked that up.....they beat good teams then fall to teams like the hornets or the bobcats, you can't do that be the 4th 5th seeds and be the mvp
Quote from: Don Jacob on January 29, 2007, 02:25:51 PMQuote from: Now_I_Know on January 29, 2007, 01:05:21 PMQuote from: Don Jacob on January 28, 2007, 11:57:30 PMQuote from: Now_I_Know on January 28, 2007, 07:38:58 PMGilbert Arenas - He is a better overall player who plays both ends of the court. He has a weaker supporting cast and doesn't play in a stat-inflating system, but his team is still a contender in the east and he still puts up huge numbers every game. also known for knocking down clutch shot after clutch shot. Gilbert Arenas > Steve NashDirk Nowitzki - He is a better overall player. Nash is a second (or even third) option when playing with a player like this. He has proved to be efficient, even improving his rebounding and defense the last couple of seasons, an area where Nash lacks majorly. Dirk Nowitzki >> Steve NashKobe Bryant - Self-explanitory. Leading a battered team and deferring more than ever to obtain a top record without key players. Easily the best player in the league. Kobe Bryant >>> Steve NashThose are the top MVP candidtes for now in my book. As for who should get it over Nash, that's an even more extended list. Hell, I'd even go as far as saying Nash isn't the best on his own team! They work a different system down in Phoenix, all 5 players have to be pretty much on the same level for everything to work... Honestly though, who here REALLY thinks Steve Nash is the most valuable player in the league? And who in their right mind thinks he's a 3peat MVP caliber player?! lol at nash not even being considered an mvp this year. bias like a motha fuckaHow am I bias when I provided reason for what I said...Nash plays one end of the court. No one should ever win the MVP of the league playing 50% of the game...On top of that, I don't even believe he's the best player on his team, and is DEFINITELY a second option on a team with a player like Dirk or Kobe...Now, step your game up and explain why I'm wrong, or shut the fuck up with your nonsense...PeACenash plays the game like a soccer player, afterall in the offseason that is what he does. i believe his brother is a soccer player in canada or something. anyways. the reason WHY nash is so successful in that system is because he's built to run and gun on the wing. take out nash on that team and the suns are a team that no one takes serious ....hence the year before they get nash and the games they play without him. is nash their best scorer...no, but neither was magic when he won. is nash their best defender...no, but neither was malone or barkley when they won it either. but nash is the definate LEADER of that team. the other 11 players on that team are the car , but nash is the driver. but that's not the point of the MVP award, it's not about individual accomplishments, which probably hurt kobe last year from getting it (i think kobe deserved it last year more btw). this generation is too use to the michael jordan mold. the award is about the leader of the team with the mos impressive record, not the best record necessarily, but the most impressive. also a major factor of the award is how valuable that player is to that team. a typically that's historically how the award is voted for and defined. if we were to award the mvp trophy to the best player in the league jordan would have 10plus mvps. when malone won it a few years back. jordan was absolutely at the top of his game, the best player EVER at that moment in history. but malone won it....why? because of the way the mvp is defined, and as much as i hated malone back then i had to step back from my bias and say "he deserved it" when charles barkley won it , jordan again was the best player on. again the mvp isn't the 'best player' award it's the most valuable player award .with the way pheonix is winning and the way nash is playing.....he deserves to win it this year, imo the suns will have to go through a huge slump before nash is out of the running. and if that happens dirk is the mvp....imo arenas and kobe already fucked that up.....they beat good teams then fall to teams like the hornets or the bobcats, you can't do that be the 4th 5th seeds and be the mvpIt's the most valuable player in the league, not the most valuable player to the team. How can you even judge value to a team, can you honestly say Nash is more valuable to the Suns than Kobe is to the Lakers? ESPECIALLY last year? No, you can't...But you can clearly say Kobe was a more valuable player overall, and that's how I believe they should award the trophy, not based on some bullshit that'll have some little whiteboy like Nash who would get tortured in an all-time great pickup game of basketball win it every time...Nash runs the offense in Phoenix tremendously, don't get me wrong, probably better than anyone else would be able to...But is he a more valuable player than Kobe? Hell no. Does he distribute more than Kobe? Yes...But this isn't the "Point Guard of the Year" award...PeACe
did you read my post? i said kobe deserved it more last year....holy moses herschel. also you're talking about how YOU think the mvp should be voted on....you're showing an ignorance to how the mvp is voted upon and has been voted upon for YEARS. yes that's how the MVP is voted upon the the most valuable player to the team with the most impressive record. not the best player in the league, like i said if that was the case jordan would have 10 plus mvps. and it's not about how well nash distributes the ball. it's how well nash fits into the definition the NBA has set up for it's MVP. leader of the suns=steve nashmost impressive record in the league=the pheonix sunsmvp=steve nash .....as of right now, who knows it might change2005/2006leader of the lakers-kobemost impressive record in the league=la lakersmvp should've been kobe....was robbed2004-2005leader of the heat-shaqmost impressive record in the league=miami heatmvp should've been shaq...steve nash DID not deserve it the last two years but he more than deserves it this year.
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