Doggystyle vs. Tha Doggfather

[CaliKorleone]

I like both equally.  Whats amazing is that unlike other albums of that era, those 2 don't sound dated.  They sound fresh everytime pop a CD in.  I'm always hearing new stuff everytime I listen to the albums.

[TraceOneInfinite]

Anyone who thinks the Doggfather was dope lyrically, I challenge them to post any dope Snoop verse and let's compare.  Snoop damn near sounded like he was about to fall asleep while he was recording.  Someone needed to walk in the studio and wake him up.  LBC Crew and the Dogg Pound saved that album and kept it gangsta.  Cause Snoop was weak on that album; you can't blame him though, he wasn't feelin like puttin down a gangsta rap record, he had just seen his closest peer 2pac killed, and beat his murder case.

 Actually, the whole West Coast was in mourning at that time, because of 2pac's death, so Snoop really couldn't come out with fire like he did on Doggystyle (around the time of the LA riots) it just wasn't the mood in late 96'.  

People were waiting for Puffy to wear shiny suits and do Sting covers and the only version of gangsta rap that still pulled some jiuce the next couple years came out of the South with Master P; because it sounded new, fresh, and authentic.  Death Row came so tight from 93-till Makevelli was released.. that anything after that couldn't major up to the high standard they had set.

[proverbs aka DD]

^^^ I take it you're no Cam'ron fan...

i like cam and dip but i don't like dip fans. lol

[TraceOneInfinite]

"Doggystyle" is better than "Tha Doggfather". But don't look at the beats, WHERE ARE BETTER LYRICS? In your opinion...

Kurupt's verses alone on Doggystyle, destroy any Snoop verse on Doggfather.  And it wasn't just what he was saying, but it was the way that he said it, it was his presence on the mic...like he says..."I rip mics/ I rip mics in half".. that's the truth... you take Kurupts verses alone they destroy the whole Doggfather album; for that matter, you could take RBX's verses or Daz's verses, or even the Lady of Rages verses, and you destroy Doggfather.  And we haven't even talked about Snoop yet.  Snoop was hungry then, and he had the DOC and an army of other up and coming greats behind him, with Dre there to make sure everything went down perfect.  Doggystyle destroys Doggfather lyrically.

The Doggfather album goes down in history as the first time Death Row released anything that contianed wack material.  Before that, everything, even there unreleased tracks (like Sam Sneed's EP and stuff like that) were straight fire.

Look at Kurupt on the Doggystyle album.  This guy was rapping out of his mind on that album.  Every artist, every verse, every beat, was fire!  Nobody came weak, nobody came wack.  Lyrically, every rhyme in Doggystyle was on point.   

i agree with this.. that's why i think doggfather is the better SOLO album.. 

i think Doggystyle was just an extention of The Chronic. You had 20+ producers, beat makers, writers and artists in the studio working on ONE album.. I wish we can get that again.. oh wait.. it's called Detox.

Doggfather was Snoop's first true solo album. He had a few writers, a couple of producers and that's it. Only 2 people concentrated on Doggfather, Snoop and DJ Pooh. Everyone else was saving thier better lyrics and beats for their own albums. That's how it is nowadays in the rap world.

Really, Snoop has no business making an album without alot of help.  He's not an artist like Nas (Lost Tapes, Illmatic), Ras Kass (Soul On Ice) or Eminem (Slim Shady LP) that can do an album and lyrically hold the whole album down on his own.  He needs alot of help. 

[The "Untouchable" DJR]

Anyone who thinks the Doggfather was dope lyrically, I challenge them to post any dope Snoop verse and let's compare.  Snoop damn near sounded like he was about to fall asleep while he was recording.  Someone needed to walk in the studio and wake him up.  LBC Crew and the Dogg Pound saved that album and kept it gangsta.  Cause Snoop was weak on that album; you can't blame him though, he wasn't feelin like puttin down a gangsta rap record, he had just seen his closest peer 2pac killed, and beat his murder case.

 Actually, the whole West Coast was in mourning at that time, because of 2pac's death, so Snoop really couldn't come out with fire like he did on Doggystyle (around the time of the LA riots) it just wasn't the mood in late 96'. 

People were waiting for Puffy to wear shiny suits and do Sting covers and the only version of gangsta rap that still pulled some jiuce the next couple years came out of the South with Master P; because it sounded new, fresh, and authentic.  Death Row came so tight from 93-till Makevelli was released.. that anything after that couldn't major up to the high standard they had set.

On point and I've said this a couple of times, Doggfather was recorded during a very troublesome time in hip hop (and Snoop was going through his own personal things indeed). I've been listening to hip hop since '86 and IMO 1996 was one of the worst years in hip hop, not because the music was bad but because certain things were going on at that time that were having a negative effect on the rap industry and its artists.

[TraceOneInfinite]

Anyone who thinks the Doggfather was dope lyrically, I challenge them to post any dope Snoop verse and let's compare.  Snoop damn near sounded like he was about to fall asleep while he was recording.  Someone needed to walk in the studio and wake him up.  LBC Crew and the Dogg Pound saved that album and kept it gangsta.  Cause Snoop was weak on that album; you can't blame him though, he wasn't feelin like puttin down a gangsta rap record, he had just seen his closest peer 2pac killed, and beat his murder case.

 Actually, the whole West Coast was in mourning at that time, because of 2pac's death, so Snoop really couldn't come out with fire like he did on Doggystyle (around the time of the LA riots) it just wasn't the mood in late 96'. 

People were waiting for Puffy to wear shiny suits and do Sting covers and the only version of gangsta rap that still pulled some jiuce the next couple years came out of the South with Master P; because it sounded new, fresh, and authentic.  Death Row came so tight from 93-till Makevelli was released.. that anything after that couldn't major up to the high standard they had set.

On point and I've said this a couple of times, Doggfather was recorded during a very troublesome time in hip hop (and Snoop was going through his own personal things indeed). I've been listening to hip hop since '86 and IMO 1996 was one of the worst years in hip hop, not because the music was bad but because certain things were going on at that time that were having a negative effect on the rap industry and its artists.

1996 is the most remarkable year hip-hop has ever seen.  Yes, I agree with you when it comes to the Doggfather album, but other than that, 96 was an incredible year; remember, Doggfather came out in November at the end of the year.  Before that album, everything was top notch.

-96 saw 2pac hit his peek, releasing two of the greatest albums ever, AEOM and Makevelli... the 7 Day Theory album still sounds ahead of it's time today, or as if it existed in it's own time.

-96 the Dogg Pound dropped the New York track in which everything from the East Coast style lyricism to the video shitted on the East Coast in a legendary way

-96 also saw the most historic diss track in history with Hit Um Up

...I could go on forever.  Even the East Coast had big moments in 96 with Nas droppin platinum, and his classic single with Lauryn Hill, the Fugee's were blowin up bringing creative consciousness back to hip-hop, and although I never like him even then, Jay-Z came out that year as well.  His single with Mary J was decent I guess.

[The "Untouchable" DJR]

^^^^ Yeah I agree 1996 was a great year... musically speaking. I was talking more about the state hip hop was in at that time, the Pac/Biggie beef and the much hyped East/West beef in which it resulted. No doubt lots of classic material came out that year (both on the East and the West as you stated) but it was almost as if you could feel the tension, alot of artists from both coasts got dragged into the BS and the (mainstream) media were making it even worse.

[d-nice]

Snoop had a murder trial going on to the point he could have been looking at doing some serious jail time. No rapper to this day has had a trial like Snoop had.

Snoop himself said that he wanted to increase the peace and he wanted to get away from the gangsta image a little bit. His style on his 2nd one was more laid back, not as gangsta as the first one.

2pac died, Suge's in jail and Dre bounced. Not only that you have a new set of producers on deck.

So the lyrical content changed, the music changed and there you have it. This is where alot of people split their support with Snoop. Some want Murder Was The Case Pt 2 and others like this style. You really cannot compare the 2 because they are completely different albums.

[F-cisco]

Doggystyle hands down, DoggFater felt rushed.

[J$crILLa]

I love Doggfather too, but Doggystyle beats it in all categories, we're talking about one of the best albums of all time, production, lyrics, guest appearances the album is a masterpiece. But Doggfather is definitely Snoop's 2nd best album

i agree

[CaliKorleone]

I feel if Snoop had stayed with Death Row and released Tha Doggumentary, that would have been a dope ass record.

[R-Tistic]

I've seen a lot of good points in here.

Personally though.....it's not much of a reason to compare his lyrics alone, because most of us don't listen to Snoop for his lyrics, but for everything else that makes him an artist. Most of us would agree that his lyrics through his career have ranged from slightly below average, to good, but never great, as far as how deep, clever, or complex they were. But as far as him saying things here n there that just stand out in your head, usually due to the way he delivers it, he's still one of the best in the game to do it. And because of that....I'd still say that the lyrics on Doggystyle were much more memorable, even if it was really the way that he flowed and delivered them that makes us love them. Neither one had stellar lyrics, but even at that, the concept and lyrics to "Murder was the case" are still better than everything we heard on Doggfather.

[Sosna]

I think "Doggystyle" is better because it's much more melodic, you know... It's g-funk. It's Dre. "Tha Doggfather" is more gangsta.

On "Doggystyle" Snoop's a young mothafuckin' hustla, on "Tha Doggfather" he's a man. He's a real mature gangsta...
But he never was a gangsta like Tupac, even like Dr. Dre. When Dr. Dre had a gangsta style, Snoop acted a youth gangsta-kid.

You know what I mean? I mean style of music, not style of life.

[MIAMI4LIFE]

I just finished listening to Doggfather again, you really can't compare these 2 but I love both albums, Downtown Assassins is that crack

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Downtown Assassins