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Now the Iranians are parading the British soldiers on TV

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XaNdEr:

--- Quote from: 11z Is Fuckin' Serious About This! on March 29, 2007, 08:48:18 AM ---
Go ahead and vote for right wing extremists like Geert Wilders if you really feel the urge. Go ahead, make them mosques disappear to make sure there's no possibility left for muslims to integrate at all.
How closely have you seen this? Because damn well, the people running mosques are trying their hardest to help these people integrate, and most muslims around there are well willing and kind people. Have you ever bothered talking to them?

Damn well there's scum in all ethnic groups in society, but you should realise these immigrants make up a huge part of the lower class. It's only logic from that perspective that they play a role in crime numbers. But what does that tell you? They need help to get up out of that lower class - they need not to be fought.


--- Quote from: Je Weet Zelf on March 29, 2007, 02:21:46 AM ---these british troops only say what they say to stay alive, what if they refuse to say that, you think they still would be alive? plus youre a fool again, for saying they have it comfortable, these eating pictures are just propaganda to show how "nice" iran is to them, truth is they arent treated like that, for real.
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I definately agree with that. They're not posting these videos for nothing; it's obvious they do have a propagandistic purpose. We don't know how they're treated, but it's wrong to automatically assume they're being mistreated.

They may even have put that turban on her head in this video for a good purpose: to turn it into a scapegoat. "Hey, look, they're forcing their religious symbols on her while she's in their control!" ...They know it'll be easy for anyone to respond, saying "is that all?" and the well-willingness of the Iranians is saved.


--- Quote from: Je Weet Zelf on March 29, 2007, 02:21:46 AM ---unless iran is stopping with this nonsense and quits using/making nucleair weapons its a fuck you to iran as well, and i personally would say its best to throw a few nukes on their country and kill all these muthafuckas over there. fight fire with fire.
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That's part of the game... You need to be prepared for anything any possible opponent might do to you, or they'll overrun you with their slickness.
If you're so much against nuclear weaponry, then why would you allow the USA to arm themselves with it? Because that means the weapons are in good hands? Come on now. As long as both parties are posing threats at each other, no one will get hurt. "Barking dogs don't bite", you know that. Let them both get their arms up and hold each other at gun point, that way we'll be sure nothing happens. Self interest overrules anything: if you don't want to be nuked, you don't want to challenge those who could nuke you.

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nice preach, but nah, i work at a supermarket and theres mostly turkish/marocan people coming there, now i have nothing against nobody but they cant even talk my language. theyre guests over here, but they dont want to adapt to our society.

im not right winged, and i dont vote at all, since politics aint my thing, i dont care bout it, let others do that. never have used ANY vote at all, it doesnt matter me. i know whats going on, and since most people in holland who dont inegrate in society are muslims, of course its gonna be criticized.

like i said i have nothing against nobody, i got some muslim friends even, but most of them here are NOT even trying to integrate, and that is a fatc, people who live here for more then 10 years and not even be able to speak dutch, is that integrate?

i dont care bout crime rates either, crimes are committed by all races/nationalities/religions so why bother? was just stating some facts.

the usa have had nukes for a long time, never shave used them, so what the fuck you talking about, there is NO garantuee iran wont use them once they have developed some crazy nukes over there.

but w/e i wont argue about this, its my opinion, and my truth, so yeah...

Elevz:
I guess that means we've come to a point where there's no point in arguing any further: there's two outs. I believe that if immigrants are supported, they'll make their way through proper integration. Your opinion on immigration seems perfectly validated to me, so I guess that leaves us with not much to discuss. Props for that :)


--- Quote from: Je Weet Zelf on March 29, 2007, 08:57:55 AM ---the usa have had nukes for a long time, never shave used them, so what the fuck you talking about
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So we've forgotten about Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Over 200,000 people died, from some strategically chosen targets: they had to kill as many as possible.

The Target Committee at Los Alamos on May 10-11, 1945, recommended Kyoto, Hiroshima, Yokohama, and the arsenal at Kokura as possible targets. The committee rejected the use of the weapon against a strictly military objective because of the chance of missing a small target not surrounded by a larger urban area. The psychological effects on Japan were of great importance to the committee members. They also agreed that the initial use of the weapon should be sufficiently spectacular for its importance to be internationally recognized. The committee felt Kyoto, as an intellectual center of Japan, had a population "better able to appreciate the significance of the weapon." Hiroshima was chosen because of its large size, its being "an important army depot" and the potential that the bomb would cause greater destruction because the city was surrounded by hills which would have a "focusing effect".
(see: http://www.dannen.com/decision/targets.html)

In fact, look up "Nuclear Weapon" in Wikipedia, you'll be looking at a big mushroom-shaped cloud of American poison reigning over Japan. No other country in the world has ever used nuclear weapons. Only America.


--- Quote from: Je Weet Zelf on March 29, 2007, 08:57:55 AM ---there is NO garantuee iran wont use them once they have developed some crazy nukes over there.

but w/e i wont argue about this, its my opinion, and my truth, so yeah...
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You're right, there is no guaranteeing that. But... Why would Iran use nukes, risking being bombed themselves?

ZILLA THA GOODFELLA:

--- Quote from: 11z Is Fuckin' Serious About This! on March 29, 2007, 08:48:18 AM ---That's part of the game... You need to be prepared for anything any possible opponent might do to you, or they'll overrun you with their slickness.
If you're so much against nuclear weaponry, then why would you allow the USA to arm themselves with it? Because that means the weapons are in good hands? Come on now. As long as both parties are posing threats at each other, no one will get hurt. "Barking dogs don't bite", you know that. Let them both get their arms up and hold each other at gun point, that way we'll be sure nothing happens. Self interest overrules anything: if you don't want to be nuked, you don't want to challenge those who could nuke you.

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Smoke Break:
we've(the usa) never used a nuclear bomb, nagasaki and hiroshima were hit by atom bombs not only for the japanese to fall further into submission but also to scare the russians. We developed all that shit first(with the help of foreign scientists who also thought we should have it) so yeah we should get the benefits of it.

Elevz:


^^ There used to be Nagasaki ^^


--- Quote from: Smoke Break on March 29, 2007, 10:52:04 AM ---we've(the usa) never used a nuclear bomb, nagasaki and hiroshima were hit by atom bombs
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What the hell is this? This reminds me of the Turkish denial of the Armenian genocide... Now I hope you realise one thing: atomic bombs ARE nuclear bombs. They are so called weapons of mass destruction, the very thing "you" and "your army" and "your politicians" are combating.


--- Quote from: Smoke Break on March 29, 2007, 10:52:04 AM ---nagasaki and hiroshima were hit by atom bombs not only for the japanese to fall further into submission but also to scare the russians.
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Ah. Posing threats with weapons of mass destruction (not to mention using them) is alright now all of a sudden?


--- Quote from: Smoke Break on March 29, 2007, 10:52:04 AM ---We developed all that shit first(with the help of foreign scientists who also thought we should have it) so yeah we should get the benefits of it.
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Patents are only valid for 20 years. Does that mean you're now saying it's been okay since around 1965 for the entire world to arm themselves with totally destructive weaponry?

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