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Now the Iranians are parading the British soldiers on TV
7even:
lmao that was a dumb post smoke break, follow your screen name's advice and take one
Smoke Break:
It is splitting hairs i'll give you that, but, Atom bomb- An explosive weapon of great destructive power derived from the rapid release of energy in the fission of heavy atomic nuclei. while a thermo-nuclear bomb works on fusion. the latter is bigger(1000x more powerful) while the first was a smaller one. Theres a difference.
--- Quote from: 7even on March 29, 2007, 11:57:10 AM ---lmao that was a dumb post smoke break, follow your screen name's advice and take one
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:tosser: 7eeeeeeevvvveeeeeennnnnn
Smoke Break:
--- Quote from: 11z Is Fuckin' Serious About This! on March 29, 2007, 11:25:48 AM ---Ah. Posing threats with weapons of mass destruction (not to mention using them) is alright now all of a sudden?
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I don't know what fucking post you were reading, but i sure never said that.
--- Quote from: 11z Is Fuckin' Serious About This! on March 29, 2007, 11:25:48 AM ---Patents are only valid for 20 years. Does that mean you're now saying it's been okay since around 1965 for the entire world to arm themselves with totally destructive weaponry?
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well the cat's outta the bag at this point, but I really doubt patent rules apply to classified military documents.
Does this mean you support every nation having a nuclear aresenal?(see I can be a retard too!)
Elevz:
--- Quote from: Smoke Break on March 29, 2007, 12:06:43 PM ---It is splitting hairs i'll give you that, but, Atom bomb- An explosive weapon of great destructive power derived from the rapid release of energy in the fission of heavy atomic nuclei. while a thermo-nuclear bomb works on fusion. the latter is bigger(1000x more powerful) while the first was a smaller one. Theres a difference.
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Perhaps I don't fully understand. Explain to me the difference between a nuclear bomb and an atomic bomb? I thought they were one and the same, and therefore an atomic bomb is a nuclear weapon? It may not be the most reliable source ever, but on physics Wikipedia is usually right (as there's no opinions involved). So tell me, are they lying here, or am I making misconceptions?
A nuclear weapon is a weapon which derives its destructive force from nuclear reactions of fission or fusion.
A nuclear reaction is a process in which two nuclei or nuclear particles collide, to produce products different from the initial particles.
Nuclear fission—also known as atomic fission—is a process in nuclear physics and nuclear chemistry in which the nucleus of an atom splits into two or more smaller nuclei as fission products, and usually some by-product particles, hence, fission is a form of elemental transmutation.
--- Quote from: Smoke Break on March 29, 2007, 12:28:46 PM ---
--- Quote from: 11z Is Fuckin' Serious About This! on March 29, 2007, 11:25:48 AM ---Ah. Posing threats with weapons of mass destruction (not to mention using them) is alright now all of a sudden?
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I don't know what fucking post you were reading, but i sure never said that.
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It's a conclusion I'm drawing after you said this:
--- Quote from: Smoke Break on March 29, 2007, 10:52:04 AM ---nagasaki and hiroshima were hit by atom bombs not only for the japanese to fall further into submission but also to scare the russians.
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--- Quote from: Smoke Break on March 29, 2007, 12:28:46 PM ---
--- Quote from: 11z Is Fuckin' Serious About This! on March 29, 2007, 11:25:48 AM ---Patents are only valid for 20 years. Does that mean you're now saying it's been okay since around 1965 for the entire world to arm themselves with totally destructive weaponry?
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well the cat's outta the bag at this point, but I really doubt patent rules apply to classified military documents.
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Of course I realise there is no such thing as patent for military documents. Thing is, you're saying the USA has the sole right to have nuclear weapons, and I wonder why you think that's justified.
--- Quote from: Smoke Break on March 29, 2007, 10:52:04 AM ---We developed all that shit first(with the help of foreign scientists who also thought we should have it) so yeah we should get the benefits of it.
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You developed it? It's a chemical process. That's physics: a science. It's part of the world we live in. How are you going to claim the sole right to enjoy the benefits of it? What, America owns the universe now?
Smoke Break:
--- Quote from: 11z Is Fuckin' Serious About This! on March 29, 2007, 02:35:04 PM ---Explain to me the difference between a nuclear bomb and an atomic bomb?
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Atom bomb- An explosive weapon of great destructive power derived from the rapid release of energy in the fission of heavy atomic nuclei.
while a thermo-nuclear bomb works on fusion which creates an explosion nearly 1000x larger.
I get what you're saying which is why "It is splitting hairs i'll give you that" but, when talking in context of that war there is a major difference as the thermonuclear "super" bomb wasn't developed until almost 10 years later.
It's kind of like comparing a pistol and rifle, one allows for a much larger bullet, destruction, but both work on the same properties.
--- Quote from: 11z Is Fuckin' Serious About This! on March 29, 2007, 11:25:48 AM ---Of course I realise there is no such thing as patent for military documents. Thing is, you're saying the USA has the sole right to have nuclear weapons, and I wonder why you think that's justified.
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I don't think we have the sole right to it, it's not justified, but it is rational. There were very valid reasons once it was created to stop it from spreading which obviously didn't work out too well. I would have liked to have seen what oppenheimer suggested enacted, which was to end the war by showing what we had in a civilized demonstration to the japanese and russians and share what we discovered with them in the hopes we could have it used for power purposes as well as a deterrent for conflict. Instead what we got was paranoia and the "scorpions in a bottle" stalemate with the soviets and what we have now is the worry that with countrys like iran getting peaceful power facilities may(scratch that, do) find it necessary and easy to turn around and make a bomb for the reason of self-defense in a hostile environment because everyone else does.
--- Quote from: Smoke Break on March 29, 2007, 10:52:04 AM ---We developed all that shit first(with the help of foreign scientists who also thought we should have it) so yeah we should get the benefits of it.
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--- Quote from: 11z Is Fuckin' Serious About This! on March 29, 2007, 02:35:04 PM ---You developed it? It's a chemical process. That's physics: a science. It's part of the world we live in. How are you going to claim the sole right to enjoy the benefits of it? What, America owns the universe now?
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The best minds of the world worked on learning and fleshing out that science, but they developed the transportation device and methods to actually detonate it with maximum effect.
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