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Now the Iranians are parading the British soldiers on TV
virtuoso:
Why are Iran suddenly the big looming enemy and why this continual use of "we"? I don't understand how you can adopt this stance and yet when I pointed out to you that when Donald Rumsfeld who was on the board of AB at the time sold North Korea 3 water reactors, your reply was "he is a g". What did that mean exactly ....it's gangsta for him to do that but Iran wanting nuclear technology is not acceptable?. I really am bemused how you can compartmentalise the various statements you make.
Smoke Break:
i just used iran as an example, and what you're talking about I was halfway kidding, lots of actual gangsters will sell you a big shipment of drugs then murder your ass and take it back, just like rumsfeld did. You read way too much into how people say things, like where i said we, rather than what they say, which is good in terms of politics but not internet message boards, these aren't heavily calculated thoughts. I never said Iran shouldn't have that technology either re-read what I said.
virtuoso:
Forget that last reply I have deleted it in order to post a more constructive one, so for the record where do you stand on Iran? especially when considering the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty isn't worth the toilet paper it was written on.
Elevz:
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--- Quote from: 11z Is Fuckin' Serious About This! on March 29, 2007, 02:35:04 PM ---Explain to me the difference between a nuclear bomb and an atomic bomb?
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Atom bomb- An explosive weapon of great destructive power derived from the rapid release of energy in the fission of heavy atomic nuclei.
while a thermo-nuclear bomb works on fusion which creates an explosion nearly 1000x larger.
I get what you're saying which is why "It is splitting hairs i'll give you that" but, when talking in context of that war there is a major difference as the thermonuclear "super" bomb wasn't developed until almost 10 years later.
It's kind of like comparing a pistol and rifle, one allows for a much larger bullet, destruction, but both work on the same properties.
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There are two basic types of nuclear weapons. The first are weapons which produce their explosive energy through nuclear fission reactions alone. These are known colloquially as atomic bombs, A-bombs, or fission bombs.
The second basic type of nuclear weapon produces a large amount of its energy through nuclear fusion reactions, and can be over a thousand times more powerful than fission bombs. These are known as hydrogen bombs, H-bombs, thermonuclear bombs, or fusion bombs. Only six countries—United States, Russia, United Kingdom, People's Republic of China, France, and India—have detonated, or have attempted to detonate, hydrogen bombs.
^^ Wikipedia, once again... A source of information for the ignorant :)
So. These termo-nuclear bombs are just one type of nuclear bombs, as are the atomic bombs. Yes, these H-bombs are big fuckers, and no, the USA didn't use them back then in Japan. But they might have, had they had one - we don't know. Fact is, they are the ones who did use weapons of mass destruction. The biggest piece of weaponry available at the time.
--- Quote from: Smoke Break on March 29, 2007, 03:08:12 PM ---
--- Quote from: 11z Is Fuckin' Serious About This! on March 29, 2007, 11:25:48 AM ---Of course I realise there is no such thing as patent for military documents. Thing is, you're saying the USA has the sole right to have nuclear weapons, and I wonder why you think that's justified.
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I don't think we have the sole right to it, it's not justified, but it is rational. There were very valid reasons once it was created to stop it from spreading which obviously didn't work out too well. I would have liked to have seen what oppenheimer suggested enacted, which was to end the war by showing what we had in a civilized demonstration to the japanese and russians and share what we discovered with them in the hopes we could have it used for power purposes as well as a deterrent for conflict. Instead what we got was paranoia and the "scorpions in a bottle" stalemate with the soviets and what we have now is the worry that with countrys like iran getting peaceful power facilities may(scratch that, do) find it necessary and easy to turn around and make a bomb for the reason of self-defense in a hostile environment because everyone else does.
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I see what's wrong with Iran arming themselves like that, but isn't the problem that the environment is hostile with nuclear weaponry? Of course, you can put them under control all you like, but there would be no need for that hadn't they been challenged, right?
--- Quote from: Smoke Break on March 29, 2007, 03:08:12 PM ---
--- Quote from: Smoke Break on March 29, 2007, 10:52:04 AM ---We developed all that shit first(with the help of foreign scientists who also thought we should have it) so yeah we should get the benefits of it.
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--- Quote from: 11z Is Fuckin' Serious About This! on March 29, 2007, 02:35:04 PM ---You developed it? It's a chemical process. That's physics: a science. It's part of the world we live in. How are you going to claim the sole right to enjoy the benefits of it? What, America owns the universe now?
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The best minds of the world worked on learning and fleshing out that science, but they developed the transportation device and methods to actually detonate it with maximum effect.
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Haha, so do you still stand by your claim that these scientists really wanted you to enjoy the benefits of having these weapons? :D
King Tech Quadafi:
--- Quote from: Real American on March 28, 2007, 03:51:32 PM ---. The US never did anything like that with Guatanamo Bay prisoners.
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no, but they pissed on em and ripped their qurans
why dont u be a man, and stop being a pussy? what is it with you americans, that make u so puss like in nature? is it the ohio well water?
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