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Strong criticism of America from the Saudi King
Kassem:
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--- Quote from: Kassem on March 29, 2007, 12:07:05 PM ---all these arab leaders just did the whole summit because of the heat their feeling under their asses,from thier fuck ups and support for the usa ,the fact is they all suck america dick when shit gets real,
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I wish something could make you realize the implications of what you say and how you are making a mockery of Arabs.
You come on here with an "Arab World" signature like being Arab is what you take pride in. Then you go and talk all kinds of shit on all the Arab leaders.
Well, if Arabs are such great people that you have so much pride in them... then please tell me why don't consider one of their damn countries to be ran to your standards?
Don't you realize the implications of that? All these Arab countries you think are pieces of shit, wouldn't that possibly lead a person to conclude that Arabs have continuously proven themselves to be incapable of government if what you keep sugggesting yourself is true? And then at the same time you make a mockery of yourself and have a signature showing some great racial pride in Arabs?
You can't have it both ways.
You appear to me like other Arabs I know who talk shit on everyone and everything and don't realize they are implicating themselves and their people as they do it. They sit around and wait for the Mehdi to come and idealize about the days of the Prophet and Sahaba.
Again, you can't have it both ways. You can't talk all kinds of shit on the Ottoman Empire (like you did in previous posts) and then at the same time turn around and talk all kinds of shit on all the Arab leaders. Because, then, the only conclusion I can come up with from listening to you is that Muslims ain't shit and they shouldn't be running any damn country.
If your such an Arab nationalist, then how come you don't see that these Arab governments are a reflection of you and your Arab nationalism and they fought against the Kalfiah of the Ottoman Turks in the name of Arab nationalism!
I don't see any difference between you and any of these Arab nationalist leaders.
Please, I really wish you realized the implications of what you suggest by your critisism. I propose that the Ottoman Empire should have been supported by the Ummah, and that if you don't support them, and you instead support Arab nationalist, then you have no right to sit around and talk shit on all these Arab governments because they are only a reflection of YOU!
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1.Non of any Arab leaders today are in any way representing the true idea of Arab Nationalism,they just have it in thier charters about arab unity ,to cool off and decrease the popularity and power of the NASSERITES.
2.I never said a country can't be ruled by Muslims ,and in whatever Ideal goverment i would want to live under would in no way be secular or Liberal ,and the main parts of the law would be covered by Sharia,still i won't ban alchol or hashish in the country ,just beacuse its pointless in this time ,and having a ban on anything just increases people intrest in that thing,will i force the hijab on any one ,NO ,cus living 18 years in kuwait these bans just don't work ,i have been into vieled beiduon girls (the one u can say are least influenced by western values) ,so the piont is all these veils ,bans on alchol ,forcing people to go to pray ,justmakes allah look like some kind of torturer.
3.lets talk about arab leaders
Saudi royal family---well saudi royal family took power by a religious movement so in no way can they be called arab nationalist
mubark---this guy doesn't need any essays on him,he is simply fucked
Assad--the guy idea of arab nationalism is to have a fight with the iraqi leaders for pity differences.
Saddam---same stuff invade kuwait
4.so u think am waiting for al mahdi,so ur idea of doing something positive is going to the uae and trying learn arabic ,i waisted so much time waiting for all mahdi,that am graduating with an engineering degree aged 20.
5.well the ottamon empire,the cared so much about other races of muslims that they created situations
---their goverment main language was turkish ,so this excludes any other race.
---most areas of study in instanbul and in turkish ,so when they started lagging off ,guess wat happens dark ages.
6.the closest thing we can get to islamic nationalism is a state similar to the europe thing.
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: Kassem on March 30, 2007, 08:52:57 AM ---
1.Non of any Arab leaders today are in any way representing the true idea of Arab Nationalism,they just have it in thier charters about arab unity ,to cool off and decrease the popularity and power of the NASSERITES.
2.I never said a country can't be ruled by Muslims ,and in whatever Ideal goverment i would want to live under would in no way be secular or Liberal ,and the main parts of the law would be covered by Sharia,still i won't ban alchol or hashish in the country ,just beacuse its pointless in this time ,and having a ban on anything just increases people intrest in that thing,will i force the hijab on any one ,NO ,cus living 18 years in kuwait these bans just don't work ,i have been into vieled beiduon girls (the one u can say are least influenced by western values) ,so the piont is all these veils ,bans on alchol ,forcing people to go to pray ,justmakes allah look like some kind of torturer.
3.lets talk about arab leaders
Saudi royal family---well saudi royal family took power by a religious movement so in no way can they be called arab nationalist
mubark---this guy doesn't need any essays on him,he is simply fucked
Assad--the guy idea of arab nationalism is to have a fight with the iraqi leaders for pity differences.
Saddam---same stuff invade kuwait
4.so u think am waiting for al mahdi,so ur idea of doing something positive is going to the uae and trying learn arabic ,i waisted so much time waiting for all mahdi,that am graduating with an engineering degree aged 20.
5.well the ottamon empire,the cared so much about other races of muslims that they created situations
---their goverment main language was turkish ,so this excludes any other race.
---most areas of study in instanbul and in turkish ,so when they started lagging off ,guess wat happens dark ages.
6.the closest thing we can get to islamic nationalism is a state similar to the europe thing.
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Going to school and getting a degree from a Western University is not a political solution. Every Muslim in the world could go to an American University and get a degree and it would only make them think more likely to support America's expanded influence in the world.
I guess you did offer one suggestion in your post that suprised me. I guess I know what you are now, your a Gamel Nasser Arab nationalist supporter. Well, you and people like you have only been a great tool for British intelligence officers like T.E. Lawrence. He wrote in his diaires that the direct aim of the British was to support the Arab nationalist movement like the one Sharif Hussien (Hashemite leader who wanted an Arab state and wanted to be "King of the Arabs") was leading, because T.E. Lawrence believed that the Arabs were less capable of government than the Turks, and that if Arab nationalism was successful than that would create a breakup of the Islamic bloc, and the defeat and dismantle of the Ottoman Empire, and the region would remain a tissue of jealous principalities incapable of political cohesion.
So congratulations for being a product of excellent British intelligence and manipulation.
Kassem:
I didn't say i blindly follow a NASSER's idea. I got respect for him ,as much as i got respect for Hassan Al-Banna(Muslim Brotherhood Founder---that led to modern islamic thought,Hamas,al zawahiri),i read both thier books.Wat i find flawed in the the Khalifat thing,are the following
1)well the common language would be arabic ,would the other races just drop their languages.
2)1st off all the islamic sects well have to reconle
3)wat wud the non-muslims be in the picture,2nd rate citizens.numbering more than 22 million in the arabic world alone
4///how will we chose the khalifa ,and wat is a khalifa.shias would want ahl al bayit(Prophet reliatives) to rule ,making everyone elese 2nd class citizens.
5///the khalifa would destroy the image of islam ,as his word would be taken as islam .good and bad ,his mistakes would be taken as islam.just like the pope ,but the pope doesn't have to worry about the dirtness of politics.
well the lawrence part a few beiduins got scamed, no fucking deal.
Kassem:
so wat political statement do u want me to do ,just say it dude and if well help my people muslims and arabs i will do it,should i blow myself up or go on a hunger strike infront of the white house.and getting degree and building my nation(any arab country),won't contribute in my land.
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: Kassem on March 30, 2007, 04:49:32 PM ---I didn't say i blindly follow a NASSER's idea. I got respect for him ,as much as i got respect for Hassan Al-Banna(Muslim Brotherhood Founder---that led to modern islamic thought,Hamas,al zawahiri),i read both thier books.
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^^ Well, this is one of the first incidents when you haven't talked shit on an Arab leader or movement, so I guess this is a start.
--- Quote from: Kassem on March 30, 2007, 04:49:32 PM ---
Wat i find flawed in the the Khalifat thing,are the following
1)well the common language would be arabic ,would the other races just drop their languages.
2)1st off all the islamic sects well have to reconle
3)wat wud the non-muslims be in the picture,2nd rate citizens.numbering more than 22 million in the arabic world alone
4///how will we chose the khalifa ,and wat is a khalifa.shias would want ahl al bayit(Prophet reliatives) to rule ,making everyone elese 2nd class citizens.
5///the khalifa would destroy the image of islam ,as his word would be taken as islam .good and bad ,his mistakes would be taken as islam.just like the pope ,but the pope doesn't have to worry about the dirtness of politics.
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1. The Kalifah of the Ottoman Empire existed for some 5 centuries and language was never an issue. People are always going to be encouraged to speak Arabic because it's in the Qu'ran, but the Kalifah existed without the need for forcing one language over all others. That stupid rumor about the Turks trying to make Turkish the official language in the last few years of the Empire has been blown way out of proportion, and was probably just some propaganda some Jews and Brits entered into the minds of the Arabs they manipulated.
2. The Ottoman Empire was very pluralistic in their viewpoints, in fact the unorthodox practices of Sufism even had a large popularity throughout the Empire. Great Sufi poets, thinkers, and scholars like Jalladin Rumi lived found prominence inside the Empire, he was living in Konya. The only dissapointing thing would be that during the time of the Ottoman Empire there were great clashes with the rival Saffavid Shia's, and this is regretable.
3. The Qu'ran recognizes other religions and Prophets and whether it was Umar or later Salahudin ruling over Christians and Jews in Jerusalam and Syria, or the Islamic Kalifate in Spain, or the Ottoman Empire, Muslims were ruling over vast territories of land inhabited by non-Muslims, and these non-Muslims were afforded legitimacy and rights granted to them in the Qu'ran, and Jews for example often were fleeing persecution at the hands of Christians to live under an Islamic Kalifah and experience a golden age of art and science. These religious minority groups were also given the right to rule according to their own religious texts inside their own towns and cities.
4. I was referring to the past Kalfah's. As far as today, there isn't really enough political stability to declare a Kalfah, unless he is underground somewhere, or a part of some grassroots movement, although some places like Nigeria still give tribute to a man reffered to as Sultan in a similar way as a Kalifah, also Iran has a religious hierarchy of Shia' leadership that represents many Muslims throughout the world.
5. So you would rather have the Ummah divided up into jealous principalities, incapable of political cohesion, most of which have abandoned Islam for nationalism anyway, as is the case today? Are they putting a great face on Islam?
--- Quote from: Kassem on March 30, 2007, 04:49:32 PM ---well the lawrence part a few beiduins got scamed, no fucking deal.
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So it's no big deal that the Kalifah fell and now Muslims don't have any state representation to defend themselves and America can go into Iraq, Afganistan, and anywhere else and murder 1 million people and occupy as much territory as they like and rape the women, and so on and so on. If America wanted to occupy Mekkah right now nobody could stop them. Had the Kalifah stayed in existence all the oil wealth of the of the 20th century would have stayed in Islamic lands, not to mention Palestine would have remained protected.
So you say no big deal?
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