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Strong criticism of America from the Saudi King
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: Kassem on March 30, 2007, 04:55:17 PM ---so wat political statement do u want me to do ,just say it dude and if well help my people muslims and arabs i will do it,should i blow myself up or go on a hunger strike infront of the white house.and getting degree and building my nation(any arab country),won't contribute in my land.
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I want you to recognize the harm that Arab nationalism has done to Islam. Because the way we view history does a great deal in shaping our current perception of the world and our role in it.
Kassem:
1st off i dislike the idea of someone being higher than me in any religious hierachy(unless he was one of the sahaba),so i think getting someone to be khalifa is just stupid,about language barrier thing,as long as not one language is spoken by all the people ,there will always be jelousy between them and diffrences.If by the time of Ali(radiya allah anh) arabs and persians were having trouble ,that was a generation of people who learned islam firsthand from the prophet.
so the khalifat would have protected mecca,fact is if they were as strong as u claim ,they wouldn't have lost all of hijaz and the levant to few bedouins on horseback,at a time where europe where dropping bombs from planes.
face it the ottamon empire was a failed state in the last few years ,otherwise the brits wouldn't have sent one man to lead a bunch of beduins on horseback to regain one of the most important areas if the empire.so did the arabs to put atatruk kamal in power
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: Kassem on March 31, 2007, 06:14:25 AM ---1st off i dislike the idea of someone being higher than me in any religious hierachy(unless he was one of the sahaba),so i think getting someone to be khalifa is just stupid,about language barrier thing,as long as not one language is spoken by all the people ,there will always be jelousy between them and diffrences.If by the time of Ali(radiya allah anh) arabs and persians were having trouble ,that was a generation of people who learned islam firsthand from the prophet.
so the khalifat would have protected mecca,fact is if they were as strong as u claim ,they wouldn't have lost all of hijaz and the levant to few bedouins on horseback,at a time where europe where dropping bombs from planes.
face it the ottamon empire was a failed state in the last few years ,otherwise the brits wouldn't have sent one man to lead a bunch of beduins on horseback to regain one of the most important areas if the empire.so did the arabs to put atatruk kamal in power
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You don't want an Islamic Kalifah to rule over you but look at who rules over your people now. Hosni Mubarak, and he is a puppet of the West. Is that what you prefer?
And it was Turkish nationalism that put Ataturk Kamal in power. Turkish nationalism is a disease to the Ummah just like Arab nationalism.
Kassem:
i said i don't believe in religious herirachy ,not leadership. the world khalifa means that he is acting in the place of the prophet ,i don't think anybody alive or will live should get as much love and respect that i have for the prophet, or even a tiny % of it in a case of a khalifah.fact is nobody wanted the ottaman empire for a reason ,if it would have been so rosey with muslim brotherhood and love ,the turks and arabs wouldn't have revolted.how can a khalifat (religious leadership role) moved from father to son.was the ottamon ,abbassid ,fatimid or asny other dystany better than other muslims.
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: Kassem on March 31, 2007, 07:06:08 AM ---i said i don't believe in religious herirachy ,not leadership. the world khalifa means that he is acting in the place of the prophet ,i don't think anybody alive or will live should get as much love and respect that i have for the prophet, or even a tiny % of it in a case of a khalifah.fact is nobody wanted the ottaman empire for a reason ,if it would have been so rosey with muslim brotherhood and love ,the turks and arabs wouldn't have revolted.how can a khalifat (religious leadership role) moved from father to son.was the ottamon ,abbassid ,fatimid or asny other dystany better than other muslims.
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Now your just making stuff up. The Kalifah is only the leader of the Muslim Ummah, he is not a Prophet or an associate of God who can forgive sins in the way that the Pope is revered as a devine figure. The Kalifah is just a regular human being like anyone else who has an added responsibility of attending to the needs of the Ummah.
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