America is not completely innocent in all this

[oUtLaW]

a lot of u r saying that there's no match for america but if all the muslim nations unite then may be there is because pakistan are 1 of the few nations that have nuclear bomb and tested it even when america was stopping them to test them. India is big country about 5 times bigger than pakistan and had like 6 wars with them but still havnt been able to beat pakistan. so u lot need 2 get ur facts because muslims are fighters and fight any1 for their religion and beliefs espically afganistan who ain't scared of no1 and even made russia turn back. another thing there aint no fuckin proof dat usama bin laden has done all this if they have a proper evidence that he has caused this plane crashed then it's right to go after him but they are only going after them because they think that he might have done it and there's no actual evidance which i think is not right. any of y'all dissagree with me then post back what u think that i have said is not true
peace

[oUtLaW]

i also wanna put some light on the kashmir matter where thousands of innocent people get killed by armed indian army. alot of u american ppl might not get a lot of news on wot goes on in kashmir but in over england we get a lot of news on that. basically it's the same as wot goes on in palastine and america hasn't done nothing and i really mean nothing to stop that violence so here another proof of how america is always against muslims

[ZILLA THA GOODFELLA]

but i dont like seeing patriotism covering up some important facts.

Ya, u rite, Patriotism does cover up important facts.......And America's general public only hears wat tha media says.......But what they dont hear is da most important.......But I could see how USA hides it, I mean they dont want peeps 2 get pissed off at their own government, like many otha countries....

[Mr_Loc]

america is always against muslims

not true. the US backed Afghanistan when the Soviet Union invaded them in the 80s. they have also supported Muslims on numerous occasions in the past. this isnt a USA hates Muslims thing.

[Don Jacob]

so here another proof of how america is always against muslims

huh???


america is NOT against ANY religious group...i don't know where you're from but if you watched the news for 1 minute you would know that we actually use to be allies with the afgans a while ago and have protected MANY MANY muslum nations in the past, and if you watched the news here for 1 second you'd know the US is doing every thing in their power to stop muslum discrimination in this country .....if your are going to continue to make ignorant comments like that i suggest you stop posting on this subject

[techniec]

i will make this simple

why alot of muslims hate america

1- unequivocal suppor of israel
first of all, what right did britain have to make palestine its proctorate in 1920? what right did they have then to announce the creation of a jewish state?
its not their land. its like me taking your sandwich, breaking off a piece, and giving less than half back to u. what right did the US have to slice an dice countries around the world (vietnam, korea, palestine)??  its understandable that israel' self defene must be maintained, but is illegally annexing land (east jerusalem) self defence?, how about invading countries that are of no threat to u (lebanon), is that self defence too?  wait,how about the existence of settlements in the middle of arab land, the flooding of arab lands with jewish settlers to off set the population and subsquently reduce the right arabs have to that land? is that self defence?
is killing 600 civilians self defece too?
is kicking out 3 million palestinians from their homes to make way for jews self defence?

2- the support america gives to puppet secular regimes

examples of these regimes, exist in egypt, saudi arabia, jordon,turkey...etc
people want an islamic govt, nope! america cant have that!!

3- american hypocricy

america claims to stand up for human rights, democracy etc. but it always has a hidden agenda
america hates muslims, dont bring up occasions where you "help" muslims, observe:

example 1- afghanistan,
america didnt help us to establish democracy or none of that shit, they wanted to fuck up the russians, afghan casualties were expedable

example 2- kosovo
media led u to believe that you were helping muslims that were facing genocide
WRONG, they wanted to topple one of the last remaining socialist regimes in europe, they could have been killed sheeps in kosovo, NATO would stil have got involved.

whenever US "helps" muslims, there is a hidden agenda.....

israel has commited attrociies in palestine, with the help and blessing of the americans,

its like this, i like this analogy

its like israel and palestine are lil kids fightin, big US, steps in and holds palestine, while israel gets some punches and kicks in, then when palestine tries to fight back, america stands in front of israel

another thing, with the threat of an american attack on afghanistan evident, lots of people have been saying, "afghanistan is gonna get disintegrated" or shit like that.....

the russians are on line 1, ask them what happened when they came in to our home, the people are fanatical, the terrain is treacherous, and your casualties will grow, can u say vietnam???
we afghans grow up with a pacifier in our mouth and a gun in our hand, we are a war hardened tribal people, we know our land, we are not afraidto die, we are dying anyways, we have nothing to lose
meanwhile your american soldiers, for all the technology and training you have, dont have heart, you are all living the american dream, you cannot imagine wht is waiting for u,

we aint backing down, and u know it too

let me adress some people

mr. loc and the7th, you guys aint muslim, but u guys have constantly made solid points and arguments, i commend u, and u have my respect

i bo, and infinite , my brothers

trauma, i cant blame u, you're uninformed, but ifu were standing in front of me, and said we were fighting over a "fuckin rock", i would beat u till my arms got tired, u dont say shit like that, thats fatal

bpg- ignorant punk
jake- shouldnt be in this type of conversation
nik-  a fuckin faggot, if u lived in toronto, i would beat your ass
and the rest of u ignorant, racist, uninformed, fucking idiots, your time will come

Youmal qiyamah, the kufars will meet their maker

[Don Jacob]

and technique---a brainwashed afghan, you are a poor represenative for your religion and country

[ZILLA THA GOODFELLA]

Actually I kinda do consider myself muslim, b/c of my dad.......but I aint no strong follower......

[Doggystylin]

well from what i have read i consider Trauma and Loc the most intelligent and the ones with the most info. then of course Jake has got good points too

so if you listen to Traumas and Locs info you got the right info
and Jake also has got good points too

this is my opinion

and Iraq cant do shit. you can consider them dead. and pakistan is cooaperating and Afghanistan cant do shit. so there is noone to really have a battle with except terroists. which is the hardest enemy. cause their spread and all over and you cant tell shit

[Mr_Loc]

Techniec does make some very interesting points in that last post. if u see past his subjectiveness, there is some real shit in there.

and im glad i have earned respect from people of both sides of this argument, its very hard to stay objective but im just trying to have respect for all innocent people everywhere.

peace!

[Don Seer]

i just find it ironic that Techniec is using AOL.

[Doggystylin]

LOL

[Joachim]

and technique---a brainwashed afghan, you are a poor represenative for your religion and country

Have you ever thought you could be a brainwashed American?

[Don Jacob]

no, i'll admit when we fuck up i'm not going to go around spewing making america to be the the perfect nation


when we contained all japanese americans that was WRONG

hiroshema was WRONG


many things that the american government has done is WRONG....but what country hasn't done WRONG things....NONE...but i know when we mess up and might or are in the Wrong....but this current situation...we are not in the wrong...in ANY way

[Rud]

Y DID U DELETE MY POST?


peace