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Quote from: The_Dream_Shatterer on May 08, 2007, 01:32:36 PMQuote from: Now_I_Know on May 08, 2007, 01:15:59 PMQuote from: The_Dream_Shatterer on May 08, 2007, 12:58:28 PMQuote from: GangstaBoogy on May 08, 2007, 12:52:29 PMQuote from: The_Dream_Shatterer on May 08, 2007, 12:08:07 PMQuote from: GangstaBoogy on May 08, 2007, 12:05:38 PMQuote from: The_Dream_Shatterer on May 08, 2007, 12:03:47 PMJust because kobe is the "best" player in the L, that doesn't mean he had the best season. Nash had a better year, so did Duncan.They had better seasons as far as team record goes. But NOBODY had a better season than Kobe this or last season.I disagree, I will say he is the best, but the MVP SHOULD also have to do with team performance, and the Lakers didn't have those kind of seasons.Kobe had to score 50+ points in 4 straight games just for the Lakers to barely beat teams like Memphis/Portland. Take him off the team and the Lakers would probably lose damn near every game. Him just being on the court is what gives them a chance. If thats not the MVP please tell me what is...A player that can lead his team past the 1st round of the playoffs.LOL. Is that why Dirk is getting it this year? Is that why Nash got it last year when he was 1 rebound away from being bounced? Please make valid points, a regular season award has nothing to do with how a team does in the playoffs. And AGAIN, it's an INDIVIDUAL award...PeACeDirk is getting it for a fact? Damn, we so priveledged to have an NBA insider on our very board. Please make valid points.It's known that the voting is in Dirk's favor as of now, moron...
Quote from: Now_I_Know on May 08, 2007, 01:15:59 PMQuote from: The_Dream_Shatterer on May 08, 2007, 12:58:28 PMQuote from: GangstaBoogy on May 08, 2007, 12:52:29 PMQuote from: The_Dream_Shatterer on May 08, 2007, 12:08:07 PMQuote from: GangstaBoogy on May 08, 2007, 12:05:38 PMQuote from: The_Dream_Shatterer on May 08, 2007, 12:03:47 PMJust because kobe is the "best" player in the L, that doesn't mean he had the best season. Nash had a better year, so did Duncan.They had better seasons as far as team record goes. But NOBODY had a better season than Kobe this or last season.I disagree, I will say he is the best, but the MVP SHOULD also have to do with team performance, and the Lakers didn't have those kind of seasons.Kobe had to score 50+ points in 4 straight games just for the Lakers to barely beat teams like Memphis/Portland. Take him off the team and the Lakers would probably lose damn near every game. Him just being on the court is what gives them a chance. If thats not the MVP please tell me what is...A player that can lead his team past the 1st round of the playoffs.LOL. Is that why Dirk is getting it this year? Is that why Nash got it last year when he was 1 rebound away from being bounced? Please make valid points, a regular season award has nothing to do with how a team does in the playoffs. And AGAIN, it's an INDIVIDUAL award...PeACeDirk is getting it for a fact? Damn, we so priveledged to have an NBA insider on our very board. Please make valid points.
Quote from: The_Dream_Shatterer on May 08, 2007, 12:58:28 PMQuote from: GangstaBoogy on May 08, 2007, 12:52:29 PMQuote from: The_Dream_Shatterer on May 08, 2007, 12:08:07 PMQuote from: GangstaBoogy on May 08, 2007, 12:05:38 PMQuote from: The_Dream_Shatterer on May 08, 2007, 12:03:47 PMJust because kobe is the "best" player in the L, that doesn't mean he had the best season. Nash had a better year, so did Duncan.They had better seasons as far as team record goes. But NOBODY had a better season than Kobe this or last season.I disagree, I will say he is the best, but the MVP SHOULD also have to do with team performance, and the Lakers didn't have those kind of seasons.Kobe had to score 50+ points in 4 straight games just for the Lakers to barely beat teams like Memphis/Portland. Take him off the team and the Lakers would probably lose damn near every game. Him just being on the court is what gives them a chance. If thats not the MVP please tell me what is...A player that can lead his team past the 1st round of the playoffs.LOL. Is that why Dirk is getting it this year? Is that why Nash got it last year when he was 1 rebound away from being bounced? Please make valid points, a regular season award has nothing to do with how a team does in the playoffs. And AGAIN, it's an INDIVIDUAL award...PeACe
Quote from: GangstaBoogy on May 08, 2007, 12:52:29 PMQuote from: The_Dream_Shatterer on May 08, 2007, 12:08:07 PMQuote from: GangstaBoogy on May 08, 2007, 12:05:38 PMQuote from: The_Dream_Shatterer on May 08, 2007, 12:03:47 PMJust because kobe is the "best" player in the L, that doesn't mean he had the best season. Nash had a better year, so did Duncan.They had better seasons as far as team record goes. But NOBODY had a better season than Kobe this or last season.I disagree, I will say he is the best, but the MVP SHOULD also have to do with team performance, and the Lakers didn't have those kind of seasons.Kobe had to score 50+ points in 4 straight games just for the Lakers to barely beat teams like Memphis/Portland. Take him off the team and the Lakers would probably lose damn near every game. Him just being on the court is what gives them a chance. If thats not the MVP please tell me what is...A player that can lead his team past the 1st round of the playoffs.
Quote from: The_Dream_Shatterer on May 08, 2007, 12:08:07 PMQuote from: GangstaBoogy on May 08, 2007, 12:05:38 PMQuote from: The_Dream_Shatterer on May 08, 2007, 12:03:47 PMJust because kobe is the "best" player in the L, that doesn't mean he had the best season. Nash had a better year, so did Duncan.They had better seasons as far as team record goes. But NOBODY had a better season than Kobe this or last season.I disagree, I will say he is the best, but the MVP SHOULD also have to do with team performance, and the Lakers didn't have those kind of seasons.Kobe had to score 50+ points in 4 straight games just for the Lakers to barely beat teams like Memphis/Portland. Take him off the team and the Lakers would probably lose damn near every game. Him just being on the court is what gives them a chance. If thats not the MVP please tell me what is...
Quote from: GangstaBoogy on May 08, 2007, 12:05:38 PMQuote from: The_Dream_Shatterer on May 08, 2007, 12:03:47 PMJust because kobe is the "best" player in the L, that doesn't mean he had the best season. Nash had a better year, so did Duncan.They had better seasons as far as team record goes. But NOBODY had a better season than Kobe this or last season.I disagree, I will say he is the best, but the MVP SHOULD also have to do with team performance, and the Lakers didn't have those kind of seasons.
Quote from: The_Dream_Shatterer on May 08, 2007, 12:03:47 PMJust because kobe is the "best" player in the L, that doesn't mean he had the best season. Nash had a better year, so did Duncan.They had better seasons as far as team record goes. But NOBODY had a better season than Kobe this or last season.
Just because kobe is the "best" player in the L, that doesn't mean he had the best season. Nash had a better year, so did Duncan.
Quote from: teecee on May 08, 2007, 03:28:18 PMin fact, Lebron was better than Kobe last year too. Ahahahahahaha...This is just too much, and it now explains EVERYTHING.[/quoteWhat is so absurd about LBJ being better than Kobe? LBJ-- 30.8 ppg, 8.1 rpg, 5.8 apg last year, not bad really, as far as stat lines go its actually incredible although he fell off a bit this year
in fact, Lebron was better than Kobe last year too.
Quote from: Don Jacob on May 08, 2007, 01:38:24 PMQuote from: GangstaBoogy on May 08, 2007, 01:28:10 PMQuote from: Don Jacob on May 08, 2007, 01:20:26 PM-he's done nothing to make his teammates betterHe leads the team in assists. And if you watch the Lakers you know his teammates need to be spoon fed (and even when they are Luke/Lamar/Kwame/Evans still have tendencies to miss layups)Quote from: Don Jacob on May 08, 2007, 01:20:26 PM-when he went on his little scoring spree the went on losing streaksDon't get what you're saying hereQuote from: Don Jacob on May 08, 2007, 01:20:26 PM-we almost were in a position to get booted out of the playoffsYeah because 3 of our starters and 2 of our main bench guys were injured at the same time. Kobe was stuck with Andrew Bynum, Brian Cook, Ronny Turiaf, Smush Parker, and Shammond Williams to help him get into the playoffs.Quote from: Don Jacob on May 08, 2007, 01:20:26 PM-he's disappeared in the 4th quarterOf what, one game? When you have to score on damn near every possession night in & night out just for your team to get some points on the board, I'm guessing you'd be pretty worn out by the 4th quarter too.Quote from: Don Jacob on May 08, 2007, 01:20:26 PM-doesn't give his tea mates confidence that they can winI can think of a few times this season that Kobe's given his teammates the ball in big possessions. What about that pass to Brian Cook to send us to O/T against Washington? Or him with that last second pass to Smush Parker to force O/T against the Kings? What more do you want him to do, write them all motivational letters?1. he leads in assists because the lakers lack a true point guard AND kobe's the one with the ball. i refuse to believe (especially after the begining of the season and the 3 wins in last years playoffs) that the lakers need to be spoon fed. if kobe was a good leader he'd be able to give them the confidence that they obviously lack. 2. when kobe started scoring all these rediculous points after the all star break.....what was the lakers' record, after the all star break i'm talking about??3. again lack of faith in his players, a leader would be able to facilitate with that and break through in the playoffs, i mean shit we lost to some BAAAD teams this year. also what happened to everyone saying the lakers have awesome players?? now they're bad?? which is it!??4. if kobe was able to instill confidence in his players like he did in last years playoffs (which he also dissappeared) he wouldn't HAVE to be worn down by the 4th quarter.5. those are a FEW examples against some PRETTY mediocre teams LOl. wow we shouldn't have even been in those possitions against them if we had the "MVP" on our team. again those are only a FEW examples, they did work yeah, but it's not consistant enough ....that should be OBVIOUSCRAP like that is exactly why Nash is un-deservedly a 2 time MVP. If Kobe's teammates play like ass you can't place all the blame on him just because he's the leader of the team. McGrady had what 29 points & 13 assists in game 7 vs Utah...are you gonna say its his fault they lost that game?
Quote from: GangstaBoogy on May 08, 2007, 01:28:10 PMQuote from: Don Jacob on May 08, 2007, 01:20:26 PM-he's done nothing to make his teammates betterHe leads the team in assists. And if you watch the Lakers you know his teammates need to be spoon fed (and even when they are Luke/Lamar/Kwame/Evans still have tendencies to miss layups)Quote from: Don Jacob on May 08, 2007, 01:20:26 PM-when he went on his little scoring spree the went on losing streaksDon't get what you're saying hereQuote from: Don Jacob on May 08, 2007, 01:20:26 PM-we almost were in a position to get booted out of the playoffsYeah because 3 of our starters and 2 of our main bench guys were injured at the same time. Kobe was stuck with Andrew Bynum, Brian Cook, Ronny Turiaf, Smush Parker, and Shammond Williams to help him get into the playoffs.Quote from: Don Jacob on May 08, 2007, 01:20:26 PM-he's disappeared in the 4th quarterOf what, one game? When you have to score on damn near every possession night in & night out just for your team to get some points on the board, I'm guessing you'd be pretty worn out by the 4th quarter too.Quote from: Don Jacob on May 08, 2007, 01:20:26 PM-doesn't give his tea mates confidence that they can winI can think of a few times this season that Kobe's given his teammates the ball in big possessions. What about that pass to Brian Cook to send us to O/T against Washington? Or him with that last second pass to Smush Parker to force O/T against the Kings? What more do you want him to do, write them all motivational letters?1. he leads in assists because the lakers lack a true point guard AND kobe's the one with the ball. i refuse to believe (especially after the begining of the season and the 3 wins in last years playoffs) that the lakers need to be spoon fed. if kobe was a good leader he'd be able to give them the confidence that they obviously lack. 2. when kobe started scoring all these rediculous points after the all star break.....what was the lakers' record, after the all star break i'm talking about??3. again lack of faith in his players, a leader would be able to facilitate with that and break through in the playoffs, i mean shit we lost to some BAAAD teams this year. also what happened to everyone saying the lakers have awesome players?? now they're bad?? which is it!??4. if kobe was able to instill confidence in his players like he did in last years playoffs (which he also dissappeared) he wouldn't HAVE to be worn down by the 4th quarter.5. those are a FEW examples against some PRETTY mediocre teams LOl. wow we shouldn't have even been in those possitions against them if we had the "MVP" on our team. again those are only a FEW examples, they did work yeah, but it's not consistant enough ....that should be OBVIOUS
Quote from: Don Jacob on May 08, 2007, 01:20:26 PM-he's done nothing to make his teammates betterHe leads the team in assists. And if you watch the Lakers you know his teammates need to be spoon fed (and even when they are Luke/Lamar/Kwame/Evans still have tendencies to miss layups)Quote from: Don Jacob on May 08, 2007, 01:20:26 PM-when he went on his little scoring spree the went on losing streaksDon't get what you're saying hereQuote from: Don Jacob on May 08, 2007, 01:20:26 PM-we almost were in a position to get booted out of the playoffsYeah because 3 of our starters and 2 of our main bench guys were injured at the same time. Kobe was stuck with Andrew Bynum, Brian Cook, Ronny Turiaf, Smush Parker, and Shammond Williams to help him get into the playoffs.Quote from: Don Jacob on May 08, 2007, 01:20:26 PM-he's disappeared in the 4th quarterOf what, one game? When you have to score on damn near every possession night in & night out just for your team to get some points on the board, I'm guessing you'd be pretty worn out by the 4th quarter too.Quote from: Don Jacob on May 08, 2007, 01:20:26 PM-doesn't give his tea mates confidence that they can winI can think of a few times this season that Kobe's given his teammates the ball in big possessions. What about that pass to Brian Cook to send us to O/T against Washington? Or him with that last second pass to Smush Parker to force O/T against the Kings? What more do you want him to do, write them all motivational letters?
-he's done nothing to make his teammates better
-when he went on his little scoring spree the went on losing streaks
-we almost were in a position to get booted out of the playoffs
-he's disappeared in the 4th quarter
-doesn't give his tea mates confidence that they can win
Quote from: The_Dream_Shatterer on May 08, 2007, 03:09:10 PMNash helps to MAKE his teammates better imo, so that does qualify him as an MVP candidate.So by your standards, only point guards should win the MVP...
Nash helps to MAKE his teammates better imo, so that does qualify him as an MVP candidate.
Quote from: Now_I_Know on May 08, 2007, 05:57:53 PMQuote from: The_Dream_Shatterer on May 08, 2007, 03:09:10 PMNash helps to MAKE his teammates better imo, so that does qualify him as an MVP candidate.So by your standards, only point guards should win the MVP... unless your name is jason kidd most point guards in this league arn't throwing out 13 -15 dimes and putting up 20 points
Look at the 92-93 year. Jordan led the bulls to the title. Had the most points per game and steals per game for the season and made 1st team all NBA. Jordan had a great season that year, yet, Barkley won the MVP and his team lost to Jordan's in the Finals. Barkley had a bigger impact on his team that season. It was only his first year with them and he brought them up to having the best record in the league. So, it's not always about individual performance.But since there's talks about the Lakers having bad players around Kobe and all, check this out. Aside from Pippen, who did Jordan have on this team? Grant was good, but he wasn't a stellar player. I think around Jordan, all these guys, who may have just been decent to good players, became strong players who were able to step up when needed. Michael Jordan Scottie Pippen Horace Grant B.J. Armstrong Scott Williams Stacey King Trent Tucker Bill Cartwright Will Perdue John Paxson Rodney McCray Corey Williams Darrell Walker Ed Nealy Joe Courtney Ricky Blanton Jo Jo English Not too many great names on that roster, but they won the title that year. So if Kobe is supposed to be that great, he would work with what he has and bring them to that point, IMO.
What is so absurd about LBJ being better than Kobe? LBJ-- 30.8 ppg, 8.1 rpg, 5.8 apg last year, not bad really, as far as stat lines go its actually incredible although he fell off a bit this year
Quote from: GangstaBoogy on May 08, 2007, 02:12:42 PMQuote from: Don Jacob on May 08, 2007, 01:38:24 PMQuote from: GangstaBoogy on May 08, 2007, 01:28:10 PMQuote from: Don Jacob on May 08, 2007, 01:20:26 PM-he's done nothing to make his teammates betterHe leads the team in assists. And if you watch the Lakers you know his teammates need to be spoon fed (and even when they are Luke/Lamar/Kwame/Evans still have tendencies to miss layups)Quote from: Don Jacob on May 08, 2007, 01:20:26 PM-when he went on his little scoring spree the went on losing streaksDon't get what you're saying hereQuote from: Don Jacob on May 08, 2007, 01:20:26 PM-we almost were in a position to get booted out of the playoffsYeah because 3 of our starters and 2 of our main bench guys were injured at the same time. Kobe was stuck with Andrew Bynum, Brian Cook, Ronny Turiaf, Smush Parker, and Shammond Williams to help him get into the playoffs.Quote from: Don Jacob on May 08, 2007, 01:20:26 PM-he's disappeared in the 4th quarterOf what, one game? When you have to score on damn near every possession night in & night out just for your team to get some points on the board, I'm guessing you'd be pretty worn out by the 4th quarter too.Quote from: Don Jacob on May 08, 2007, 01:20:26 PM-doesn't give his tea mates confidence that they can winI can think of a few times this season that Kobe's given his teammates the ball in big possessions. What about that pass to Brian Cook to send us to O/T against Washington? Or him with that last second pass to Smush Parker to force O/T against the Kings? What more do you want him to do, write them all motivational letters?1. he leads in assists because the lakers lack a true point guard AND kobe's the one with the ball. i refuse to believe (especially after the begining of the season and the 3 wins in last years playoffs) that the lakers need to be spoon fed. if kobe was a good leader he'd be able to give them the confidence that they obviously lack. 2. when kobe started scoring all these rediculous points after the all star break.....what was the lakers' record, after the all star break i'm talking about??3. again lack of faith in his players, a leader would be able to facilitate with that and break through in the playoffs, i mean shit we lost to some BAAAD teams this year. also what happened to everyone saying the lakers have awesome players?? now they're bad?? which is it!??4. if kobe was able to instill confidence in his players like he did in last years playoffs (which he also dissappeared) he wouldn't HAVE to be worn down by the 4th quarter.5. those are a FEW examples against some PRETTY mediocre teams LOl. wow we shouldn't have even been in those possitions against them if we had the "MVP" on our team. again those are only a FEW examples, they did work yeah, but it's not consistant enough ....that should be OBVIOUSCRAP like that is exactly why Nash is un-deservedly a 2 time MVP. If Kobe's teammates play like ass you can't place all the blame on him just because he's the leader of the team. McGrady had what 29 points & 13 assists in game 7 vs Utah...are you gonna say its his fault they lost that game?but see here's where nash and kobe differ. when nash is in the game the suns succeed and soar to heights that beat teams like the spurs. when kobe is on the team you don't know if they're going to beat the mavs or lose to the grizzlies. about mcgrady, he did all he could do, and it can be admired what he did, he took the jazz to 7 games. yes at the end of the day the blame falls on him since he IS the leader but the blame is a little less when he's proved to be a winner on that team this year. there wasn't a complete collapse like with the lakers all year.
those excuses are being built up too big IMO though, because WHEN healthy they never played together as a team, they still played as a one man show.
when lamar was the shit and kobe was hurt
no but he'd be a better leader