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Quote from: Antonio on May 25, 2007, 03:17:40 AMMan, the Heat basically destroyed the team who went 1 game from the EC Finals to acquire Shaq. They changed the coach and they traded Lamar Odom, Brian Grant, Caron Butler and 3/4 of the original team just to rebuild around Shaq and Wade. When you destroy a team with a lot of potential, with young players, and with a pretty good coach, you do it to win the title, not to loose it. They've won a title, so now, a couple of years later, we can say they did the right move, and that to acquire Shaq was a good move for them. Now they're fucked up, cause they have major salary cap problems, and the team is too old. But they got a ring, something they never won before, so they could re-build the team without the same pressure they had when they acquired Shaq. But the fact the Heat won the title is not a masterpiece: it's just a natural consequence of all the trades they did destroying the original skilled team they had. So props to them, but it would have been a real disaster if they didn't win at least a ring. Talking about the Lakers, i think we simply had to choose Kobe over Shaq, cause Kobe was 24-25, and you don't trade a player like Kobe at that age. I really can't understand why you bitch so much about Shaq. He's the past, man. Watch ahead. Let's talk about Bynum, about Brown, about Mihm, about Turiaf, about KG, JO, Boozer, Gasol, etc.. Why are you still talking about Shaq?? It's like Pacers fans talking about Reggie Miller: he retired!! Shit. Go ahead.I think it was Jake who considered himself more of a Shaq fan than a Laker fan...
Man, the Heat basically destroyed the team who went 1 game from the EC Finals to acquire Shaq. They changed the coach and they traded Lamar Odom, Brian Grant, Caron Butler and 3/4 of the original team just to rebuild around Shaq and Wade. When you destroy a team with a lot of potential, with young players, and with a pretty good coach, you do it to win the title, not to loose it. They've won a title, so now, a couple of years later, we can say they did the right move, and that to acquire Shaq was a good move for them. Now they're fucked up, cause they have major salary cap problems, and the team is too old. But they got a ring, something they never won before, so they could re-build the team without the same pressure they had when they acquired Shaq. But the fact the Heat won the title is not a masterpiece: it's just a natural consequence of all the trades they did destroying the original skilled team they had. So props to them, but it would have been a real disaster if they didn't win at least a ring. Talking about the Lakers, i think we simply had to choose Kobe over Shaq, cause Kobe was 24-25, and you don't trade a player like Kobe at that age. I really can't understand why you bitch so much about Shaq. He's the past, man. Watch ahead. Let's talk about Bynum, about Brown, about Mihm, about Turiaf, about KG, JO, Boozer, Gasol, etc.. Why are you still talking about Shaq?? It's like Pacers fans talking about Reggie Miller: he retired!! Shit. Go ahead.
Quote from: hisairness on May 25, 2007, 02:55:30 PMQuote from: Now_I_Know on May 24, 2007, 11:19:30 PMQuote from: Don Jacob on May 24, 2007, 10:48:40 PM1. if malone wasn't injured we would have won the championship over the pistons. we lost because the pistons exploited us at the four three and one spot. shaq and kobe were the only producers on the team. if shaq would have stayed we would have won the championship again for at least the next 2 seasons. if he did it with miami, probabilty says he could have done it with LA. 2. the suns have a player called.........AMARE, the player you siad "will neeeeeeeever be the same again". Amare -24 kobe-28in the west it's easier to buildaround a big guy than a small guy, remember that, that's why i say the suns will hoist that trophy before the lakers. the suns have other players beside nash they can build around. the lakers three almost four years later are trying to build around kobe, he's only got a few years of prime left before he starts sliding. it's do or die , so far there's been more death than doing. If, if... IF the Heat weren't the worst champions ever and Shaq was a deciding factor in the series to begin with, maybe I'd give him more credit. Like I said, Shaq on this Lakers roster instead of Kobe would be REALLY sad. Anyone denying this is either a Shaq groupie or a Kobe hater...And LMAO@you putting Amare anywhere near Kobe....Kobe has a few years of prime left? LOL. Jordan just started winning championships at Kobe's age. Have faith in your team...If you still consider them that...PeACeWorst Champions Ever>>>LakersWow. Dumbest thing ever. But pretty expected...
Quote from: Now_I_Know on May 24, 2007, 11:19:30 PMQuote from: Don Jacob on May 24, 2007, 10:48:40 PM1. if malone wasn't injured we would have won the championship over the pistons. we lost because the pistons exploited us at the four three and one spot. shaq and kobe were the only producers on the team. if shaq would have stayed we would have won the championship again for at least the next 2 seasons. if he did it with miami, probabilty says he could have done it with LA. 2. the suns have a player called.........AMARE, the player you siad "will neeeeeeeever be the same again". Amare -24 kobe-28in the west it's easier to buildaround a big guy than a small guy, remember that, that's why i say the suns will hoist that trophy before the lakers. the suns have other players beside nash they can build around. the lakers three almost four years later are trying to build around kobe, he's only got a few years of prime left before he starts sliding. it's do or die , so far there's been more death than doing. If, if... IF the Heat weren't the worst champions ever and Shaq was a deciding factor in the series to begin with, maybe I'd give him more credit. Like I said, Shaq on this Lakers roster instead of Kobe would be REALLY sad. Anyone denying this is either a Shaq groupie or a Kobe hater...And LMAO@you putting Amare anywhere near Kobe....Kobe has a few years of prime left? LOL. Jordan just started winning championships at Kobe's age. Have faith in your team...If you still consider them that...PeACeWorst Champions Ever>>>Lakers
Quote from: Don Jacob on May 24, 2007, 10:48:40 PM1. if malone wasn't injured we would have won the championship over the pistons. we lost because the pistons exploited us at the four three and one spot. shaq and kobe were the only producers on the team. if shaq would have stayed we would have won the championship again for at least the next 2 seasons. if he did it with miami, probabilty says he could have done it with LA. 2. the suns have a player called.........AMARE, the player you siad "will neeeeeeeever be the same again". Amare -24 kobe-28in the west it's easier to buildaround a big guy than a small guy, remember that, that's why i say the suns will hoist that trophy before the lakers. the suns have other players beside nash they can build around. the lakers three almost four years later are trying to build around kobe, he's only got a few years of prime left before he starts sliding. it's do or die , so far there's been more death than doing. If, if... IF the Heat weren't the worst champions ever and Shaq was a deciding factor in the series to begin with, maybe I'd give him more credit. Like I said, Shaq on this Lakers roster instead of Kobe would be REALLY sad. Anyone denying this is either a Shaq groupie or a Kobe hater...And LMAO@you putting Amare anywhere near Kobe....Kobe has a few years of prime left? LOL. Jordan just started winning championships at Kobe's age. Have faith in your team...If you still consider them that...PeACe
1. if malone wasn't injured we would have won the championship over the pistons. we lost because the pistons exploited us at the four three and one spot. shaq and kobe were the only producers on the team. if shaq would have stayed we would have won the championship again for at least the next 2 seasons. if he did it with miami, probabilty says he could have done it with LA. 2. the suns have a player called.........AMARE, the player you siad "will neeeeeeeever be the same again". Amare -24 kobe-28in the west it's easier to buildaround a big guy than a small guy, remember that, that's why i say the suns will hoist that trophy before the lakers. the suns have other players beside nash they can build around. the lakers three almost four years later are trying to build around kobe, he's only got a few years of prime left before he starts sliding. it's do or die , so far there's been more death than doing.
True that, we should quit fucking with NIK altogether, but its just muindblowing the shit he says! I don't think NIK actually believes even half the shit he writes, he's just trying to mess with us.......that is the only explanation, because otherwise he is the most narrow minded, biased sports fan I've come across. Surely its just an act though, right?
Lakers- one of the worst seasons in franchise history=1st round playoff exitSuns- greatest season in franchise history=2nd round playoff exitThe Suns' backs are currently pinned against the wall. People are starting to realize that they can't win it all with that style. Where can they go from here? Can they build on top of what they have? I mean, they have the perfect players for their style of play, what can they possibly do?The Lakers, on the other hand, have been considered huge disappointments, and how much worse are they really? Take a look at the western conference finals. The Spurs and the Jazz... We handed both of those teams their asses in the regular season. WE'RE NOT AS BAD AS OUR CURRENT STATE MAKES IT SEEM!Who is really gunna be more disappointed in the off-season? At least the Lakers have something to work with. The Suns' best bet is trading Marion, as rumors have indicated they're looking to do. Who do you think is currently in better shape for the future?
Quote from: Now_I_Know on May 25, 2007, 02:58:44 PMQuote from: hisairness on May 25, 2007, 02:55:30 PMQuote from: Now_I_Know on May 24, 2007, 11:19:30 PMQuote from: Don Jacob on May 24, 2007, 10:48:40 PM1. if malone wasn't injured we would have won the championship over the pistons. we lost because the pistons exploited us at the four three and one spot. shaq and kobe were the only producers on the team. if shaq would have stayed we would have won the championship again for at least the next 2 seasons. if he did it with miami, probabilty says he could have done it with LA. 2. the suns have a player called.........AMARE, the player you siad "will neeeeeeeever be the same again". Amare -24 kobe-28in the west it's easier to buildaround a big guy than a small guy, remember that, that's why i say the suns will hoist that trophy before the lakers. the suns have other players beside nash they can build around. the lakers three almost four years later are trying to build around kobe, he's only got a few years of prime left before he starts sliding. it's do or die , so far there's been more death than doing. If, if... IF the Heat weren't the worst champions ever and Shaq was a deciding factor in the series to begin with, maybe I'd give him more credit. Like I said, Shaq on this Lakers roster instead of Kobe would be REALLY sad. Anyone denying this is either a Shaq groupie or a Kobe hater...And LMAO@you putting Amare anywhere near Kobe....Kobe has a few years of prime left? LOL. Jordan just started winning championships at Kobe's age. Have faith in your team...If you still consider them that...PeACeWorst Champions Ever>>>LakersWow. Dumbest thing ever. But pretty expected...How's that the dumbest thing ever? Worst Champions ever is still a Champion.Since the Shaq/Kobe split, Shaq has more playoff appearances, playoff wins, regular season wins, and, most importantly, more rings.
why continue to argue with him guys? Nik will ride kobe's dick no matter what, let him say whatever he wants and then this time next year we'll laugh our asses off when kobe is sent fishing again.......
I think he believes it for two reasons:A) It makes him feel important, sort of like a "king of the internet boards" kind of deal.B) He thinks Lakers read this message board and that they can give him benefits...you know, the kind where he can deliver happy endings if he wants to...
Quote from: hisairness on May 25, 2007, 04:10:09 PMQuote from: Now_I_Know on May 25, 2007, 02:58:44 PMQuote from: hisairness on May 25, 2007, 02:55:30 PMQuote from: Now_I_Know on May 24, 2007, 11:19:30 PMQuote from: Don Jacob on May 24, 2007, 10:48:40 PM1. if malone wasn't injured we would have won the championship over the pistons. we lost because the pistons exploited us at the four three and one spot. shaq and kobe were the only producers on the team. if shaq would have stayed we would have won the championship again for at least the next 2 seasons. if he did it with miami, probabilty says he could have done it with LA. 2. the suns have a player called.........AMARE, the player you siad "will neeeeeeeever be the same again". Amare -24 kobe-28in the west it's easier to buildaround a big guy than a small guy, remember that, that's why i say the suns will hoist that trophy before the lakers. the suns have other players beside nash they can build around. the lakers three almost four years later are trying to build around kobe, he's only got a few years of prime left before he starts sliding. it's do or die , so far there's been more death than doing. If, if... IF the Heat weren't the worst champions ever and Shaq was a deciding factor in the series to begin with, maybe I'd give him more credit. Like I said, Shaq on this Lakers roster instead of Kobe would be REALLY sad. Anyone denying this is either a Shaq groupie or a Kobe hater...And LMAO@you putting Amare anywhere near Kobe....Kobe has a few years of prime left? LOL. Jordan just started winning championships at Kobe's age. Have faith in your team...If you still consider them that...PeACeWorst Champions Ever>>>LakersWow. Dumbest thing ever. But pretty expected...How's that the dumbest thing ever? Worst Champions ever is still a Champion.Since the Shaq/Kobe split, Shaq has more playoff appearances, playoff wins, regular season wins, and, most importantly, more rings.And Shaq is only the SUPPORTING player on a team
Quote from: California's where i'm at...riiiight is now a P.I. on May 25, 2007, 04:47:01 PMwhy continue to argue with him guys? Nik will ride kobe's dick no matter what, let him say whatever he wants and then this time next year we'll laugh our asses off when kobe is sent fishing again....... Quote from: teecee on May 25, 2007, 05:31:50 PMTrue that, we should quit fucking with NIK altogether, but its just muindblowing the shit he says! I don't think NIK actually believes even half the shit he writes, he's just trying to mess with us.......that is the only explanation, because otherwise he is the most narrow minded, biased sports fan I've come across. Surely its just an act though, right?Quote from: hisairness on May 25, 2007, 07:24:21 PMI think he believes it for two reasons:A) It makes him feel important, sort of like a "king of the internet boards" kind of deal.B) He thinks Lakers read this message board and that they can give him benefits...you know, the kind where he can deliver happy endings if he wants to...That's why ya'll bitch about my status on this board instead of coming up with arguments, huh? You have nothing to say. BET the Lakers win a championship before the Suns...PeACe
Quote from: Now_I_Know on May 25, 2007, 11:57:38 PMQuote from: California's where i'm at...riiiight is now a P.I. on May 25, 2007, 04:47:01 PMwhy continue to argue with him guys? Nik will ride kobe's dick no matter what, let him say whatever he wants and then this time next year we'll laugh our asses off when kobe is sent fishing again....... Quote from: teecee on May 25, 2007, 05:31:50 PMTrue that, we should quit fucking with NIK altogether, but its just muindblowing the shit he says! I don't think NIK actually believes even half the shit he writes, he's just trying to mess with us.......that is the only explanation, because otherwise he is the most narrow minded, biased sports fan I've come across. Surely its just an act though, right?Quote from: hisairness on May 25, 2007, 07:24:21 PMI think he believes it for two reasons:A) It makes him feel important, sort of like a "king of the internet boards" kind of deal.B) He thinks Lakers read this message board and that they can give him benefits...you know, the kind where he can deliver happy endings if he wants to...That's why ya'll bitch about my status on this board instead of coming up with arguments, huh? You have nothing to say. BET the Lakers win a championship before the Suns...PeACeNot only are you a fucking idiot, but you're a fucking internet geek as well. "Oooh, I'm a mod on a board on the inter-fucking-net! Bow down to me!"What a tool...who the fuck cares about status on an internet board?
Quote from: hisairness on May 26, 2007, 02:47:14 PMQuote from: Now_I_Know on May 25, 2007, 11:57:38 PMQuote from: California's where i'm at...riiiight is now a P.I. on May 25, 2007, 04:47:01 PMwhy continue to argue with him guys? Nik will ride kobe's dick no matter what, let him say whatever he wants and then this time next year we'll laugh our asses off when kobe is sent fishing again....... Quote from: teecee on May 25, 2007, 05:31:50 PMTrue that, we should quit fucking with NIK altogether, but its just muindblowing the shit he says! I don't think NIK actually believes even half the shit he writes, he's just trying to mess with us.......that is the only explanation, because otherwise he is the most narrow minded, biased sports fan I've come across. Surely its just an act though, right?Quote from: hisairness on May 25, 2007, 07:24:21 PMI think he believes it for two reasons:A) It makes him feel important, sort of like a "king of the internet boards" kind of deal.B) He thinks Lakers read this message board and that they can give him benefits...you know, the kind where he can deliver happy endings if he wants to...That's why ya'll bitch about my status on this board instead of coming up with arguments, huh? You have nothing to say. BET the Lakers win a championship before the Suns...PeACeNot only are you a fucking idiot, but you're a fucking internet geek as well. "Oooh, I'm a mod on a board on the inter-fucking-net! Bow down to me!"What a tool...who the fuck cares about status on an internet board? Exactly, noone gives a fuck about your so-called "status" on this board NIK, we just all wish you would go away so we could have intelligent arguments and discussions without your input.And really, the Lakers might win one before the Suns in the next 10 years, but if you want to look at the immediate future (2-3 years), the Lakers have no chance while the Suns are still one of the top 5 teams in the league.
Quote from: teecee on May 26, 2007, 04:58:48 PMQuote from: hisairness on May 26, 2007, 02:47:14 PMQuote from: Now_I_Know on May 25, 2007, 11:57:38 PMQuote from: California's where i'm at...riiiight is now a P.I. on May 25, 2007, 04:47:01 PMwhy continue to argue with him guys? Nik will ride kobe's dick no matter what, let him say whatever he wants and then this time next year we'll laugh our asses off when kobe is sent fishing again....... Quote from: teecee on May 25, 2007, 05:31:50 PMTrue that, we should quit fucking with NIK altogether, but its just muindblowing the shit he says! I don't think NIK actually believes even half the shit he writes, he's just trying to mess with us.......that is the only explanation, because otherwise he is the most narrow minded, biased sports fan I've come across. Surely its just an act though, right?Quote from: hisairness on May 25, 2007, 07:24:21 PMI think he believes it for two reasons:A) It makes him feel important, sort of like a "king of the internet boards" kind of deal.B) He thinks Lakers read this message board and that they can give him benefits...you know, the kind where he can deliver happy endings if he wants to...That's why ya'll bitch about my status on this board instead of coming up with arguments, huh? You have nothing to say. BET the Lakers win a championship before the Suns...PeACeNot only are you a fucking idiot, but you're a fucking internet geek as well. "Oooh, I'm a mod on a board on the inter-fucking-net! Bow down to me!"What a tool...who the fuck cares about status on an internet board? Exactly, noone gives a fuck about your so-called "status" on this board NIK, we just all wish you would go away so we could have intelligent arguments and discussions without your input.And really, the Lakers might win one before the Suns in the next 10 years, but if you want to look at the immediate future (2-3 years), the Lakers have no chance while the Suns are still one of the top 5 teams in the league. I don't know about that. Nash is getting older and has a bad back (well not McGrady bad but it still bothers him). I don't know how much longer he's gonna be able to play these big minutes to run that offense. The Lakers have some talent, they just more players that actually know what the hell they're doing.And lol @ internet status.
Quote from: GangstaBoogy on May 26, 2007, 05:48:43 PMQuote from: teecee on May 26, 2007, 04:58:48 PMQuote from: hisairness on May 26, 2007, 02:47:14 PMQuote from: Now_I_Know on May 25, 2007, 11:57:38 PMQuote from: California's where i'm at...riiiight is now a P.I. on May 25, 2007, 04:47:01 PMwhy continue to argue with him guys? Nik will ride kobe's dick no matter what, let him say whatever he wants and then this time next year we'll laugh our asses off when kobe is sent fishing again....... Quote from: teecee on May 25, 2007, 05:31:50 PMTrue that, we should quit fucking with NIK altogether, but its just muindblowing the shit he says! I don't think NIK actually believes even half the shit he writes, he's just trying to mess with us.......that is the only explanation, because otherwise he is the most narrow minded, biased sports fan I've come across. Surely its just an act though, right?Quote from: hisairness on May 25, 2007, 07:24:21 PMI think he believes it for two reasons:A) It makes him feel important, sort of like a "king of the internet boards" kind of deal.B) He thinks Lakers read this message board and that they can give him benefits...you know, the kind where he can deliver happy endings if he wants to...That's why ya'll bitch about my status on this board instead of coming up with arguments, huh? You have nothing to say. BET the Lakers win a championship before the Suns...PeACeNot only are you a fucking idiot, but you're a fucking internet geek as well. "Oooh, I'm a mod on a board on the inter-fucking-net! Bow down to me!"What a tool...who the fuck cares about status on an internet board? Exactly, noone gives a fuck about your so-called "status" on this board NIK, we just all wish you would go away so we could have intelligent arguments and discussions without your input.And really, the Lakers might win one before the Suns in the next 10 years, but if you want to look at the immediate future (2-3 years), the Lakers have no chance while the Suns are still one of the top 5 teams in the league. I don't know about that. Nash is getting older and has a bad back (well not McGrady bad but it still bothers him). I don't know how much longer he's gonna be able to play these big minutes to run that offense. The Lakers have some talent, they just more players that actually know what the hell they're doing.And lol @ internet status. Watch out...Don't say anything positive about the Lakers or negative about the Suns...They might feel like they have no legit arguments, and start flipping out, switching the subject to what they think of you as a person and shit rather than contradicting your points...LOL@tools.