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TraceOneInfinite:
7, are you German?
If so, I'm curious to hear a perspective from the Germans about why they lost WW1, and also, how the Ottoman Empire is presented in today's German textbooks and whether the German's are bitter to the Ottomans for their aide in WW1 (because it ultimately wasn't enough) or grateful to the Ottomans for their aide in WW1 (because it was Germany that encouraged them in the first place).
7even:
--- Quote from: Shakur Abdul-Latif's Definition Of Hip-Hop..by -Infinite- on June 06, 2007, 09:45:57 AM ---7, are you German?
If so, I'm curious to hear a perspective from the Germans about why they lost WW1, and also, how the Ottoman Empire is presented in today's German textbooks and whether the German's are bitter to the Ottomans for their aide in WW1 (because it ultimately wasn't enough) or grateful to the Ottomans for their aide in WW1 (because it was Germany that encouraged them in the first place).
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You just can't win a war like that. Being a country in the middle of it and in war with more than 2 fronts against you. Being from America it is a situation hard to grasp. Because your country is isolated as fuck.
Other important factors were that the UK was superior in the water, with their boats and shit. They were a nation that thrived on those type of things, whereas Germany was just getting into it, understandably as the UK is an island and Germany doesn't have any significant water around itself.
But the ultimate factor was, as soon as America entered the war there was no way of winning it. You can't battle half the world and win, when your county is in the middle of it. Of course the US waited a couple years until they joined, which has been pretty sneaky.
The Ottoman Empire is not very present in the textbooks when it comes to WW1. Nobody is bitter about them. The fact is, that they teach a sort of self-hate in school. For example, according to the books and common perspective, the country that started WW1 was Germany, but it was really Austria (which is to Germany pretty much what Canada is to the US) was catching feelings because Franz Ferdinand was assassinated by Serbia in a terroristic act, and the country (Serbia) wasn't really going to do anything about it so they declared war upon them. As Austria can't handle something like this by itself, it went without saying that its big brother Germany would help them majorly. And that's how one thing add to another. Yet nobody talks about that. It's always just "Germany started the war, the whole reason for everything bad that happened from 1914 to 1918 is Germany, fuck Germany"... and that is also the reason why they don't talk about allies much. They don't really talk about the Japanese or Pearl Harbor when it comes to WW2. Like I said, they teach you self-loath in school.
Don Seer:
if muslims are so good why didnt they invent nukes? :D
Low Key:
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--- Quote from: Shakur Abdul-Latif's Definition Of Hip-Hop..by -Infinite- on June 05, 2007, 03:18:11 AM ---
--- Quote from: Chief on June 05, 2007, 01:19:42 AM ---
That would mean though that the Muslims would be ruling the world now too along with Germany
and thank god everything happens for a reason then huh?
i cant believe you think it would be a good thing for hitler to be in charge.
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Let me clarify one major point you might have missed.... I was talking about Kaiser Wilhelm (not HITLER) and World War 1 when I was talking about Germany and the Islamic Ottoman Empire almost winning the war and becoming the 20th century world superpowers. So ofcourse, now my second point would be that the harsh reperations and treatment Germany was forced to endure after World War 1 is what ultimately lead to the rise of Hitler and World War 2.
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Yeah, but it wasn't America who was treating Germany like shit. The USSR had more losses on the battlefield, so they were awarded with more land and power over Germany. They were the ones who tore it up. Just like at the end of WWII as well.
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America didn't make Germany mad, but they gave other countries the opportunity to make Germany really, REALLY mad. And that's why Hitler could happen.
No disrespect to France but that treaty of Versailles just took it too far.
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They only allowed something like that to happen, because back then, America wasn't the world police. Then Russia came in and decided to take over shit. That is when Vietnam happened, because America started blaming Communism for the cold war and Russia's greed, and they didn't want to have to deal with another country siding with their enemiies.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Shakur Abdul-Latif's Definition Of Hip-Hop..by -Infinite- on June 06, 2007, 09:43:24 AM ---
--- Quote from: 7even on June 06, 2007, 08:08:14 AM ---
Germany's scientists were far superior to US scientists back then, the only reason how the US could get that bomb was because Germany's politics in the late 30s/40s was so retarded that all the smart cats, and partly jewish cats were like "Fuck this, lets help the 'enemy'" If Germany had not lost World War 1, no bomb for the US, and no Hitler. You can trust that.
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Einstien was a Jew. So that supports your theory.
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Yeah but Oppenheimer was in the US before WW1. The bottom line with the Ottoman is Isreal. Fuck it didn't matter who was the world power. All the fucking major scientists behind the weapon were Jewish and most of them were zionist. If the Ottomans got in the way it wouldn't matter if it were the US or Germany nuking theiir faces off.
And whether or not Germany won WW1 would have little effect on the US becoming a super power and no one was ever going to take over the States regardless. Too many people and too hard to set up a strong front to get in. You'd have to take over Canada and Mexico first just to stand a chance, and good luck going through Russia. The US economy was on the verge of a super boom in the 1900s and they had the workforce to drive it.
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