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You just can't win a war like that. Being a country in the middle of it and in war with more than 2 fronts against you. Being from America it is a situation hard to grasp. Because your country is isolated as fuck. Other important factors were that the UK was superior in the water, with their boats and shit. They were a nation that thrived on those type of things, whereas Germany was just getting into it, understandably as the UK is an island and Germany doesn't have any significant water around itself. But the ultimate factor was, as soon as America entered the war there was no way of winning it. You can't battle half the world and win, when your county is in the middle of it. Of course the US waited a couple years until they joined, which has been pretty sneaky.The Ottoman Empire is not very present in the textbooks when it comes to WW1. Nobody is bitter about them. The fact is, that they teach a sort of self-hate in school. For example, according to the books and common perspective, the country that started WW1 was Germany, but it was really Austria (which is to Germany pretty much what Canada is to the US) was catching feelings because Franz Ferdinand was assassinated by Serbia in a terroristic act, and the country (Serbia) wasn't really going to do anything about it so they declared war upon them. As Austria can't handle something like this by itself, it went without saying that its big brother Germany would help them majorly. And that's how one thing add to another. Yet nobody talks about that. It's always just "Germany started the war, the whole reason for everything bad that happened from 1914 to 1918 is Germany, fuck Germany"... and that is also the reason why they don't talk about allies much. They don't really talk about the Japanese or Pearl Harbor when it comes to WW2. Like I said, they teach you self-loath in school.
So, I have to admit, Germany has incredible resilience. Also, I've had the chance to read more about Kaiser Wilhelm so I'd like to hear 7even's perspective on Kaiser Wilhelm, and anything else you'd like to add about their alliance with the Ottomans. Ohh, and you kind of explained militarily why they lost (because of inferior seapower, etc.) but I would like to hear more about idealogically why they lost, I mean, was it a case of too much ambition? Or that they were sabatoged by Britian? Or pulled into a bad war by Austria? Please explain.
7EVEN, I just thought of another question I wanted to ask....Who did Hitler blame for Germany's WW1 loss? What did Hitler think of Kaiser Wilhelm? And did Hitler feel like the Jews had sabatoged Germany in losing WW1, and is that part of where his hate stemmed from? (Because after all, it was a major victory for the Zionist Jews that the German's and Ottomans lost)
I'm going to write more about this a little later... but did you all ever notice that in World War 1, World War 2, Vietnam, Gulf War 1, Gulf War 2, and so on... America was never threatened by those countries? The Germans couldn't even cross the English channel to invade England!! Let alone cross the Atlantic to attack America!
if muslims are so good why didnt they invent nukes?
my throat hurts, its hard to swallow, and my body feels like i got a serious ass beating.
The version of Hitler (and other politicians) on why they lost is because they didn't get enough support from home. That theory is called "Dolchstoßlegende" (trans.: the legend about being backstabbed with a dagger). A lot of politicians at home thought the war was unwinnable and openly spoke out against generals and Wilhelm. Those people were later refered to as "Die Novemberverbrecher" (trans.: the criminals of november [in reference to the capitulation in november 1918]) and accused of treason. Anti-semitism was of course involved here too, like with pretty much everything Hitler had his hands in.I don't know if Hitler ever publically stated his view on Kaiser Wilhelm. But I do know this: He said that when Germany gave up in 1918 and when the treaty of Versailles happened, that was precisely the time when he decided to become a politician. He was 1. really disappointed because the "traitors"/"leftists"/"democrats"/Novemberverbrecher" ... whatever you wanna call them, turned their back on Wilhelm which ultimately led to capitulation and 2. very upset with how insane the treaty of Versailles was. When he became a politician and had his first speeches and shit, he claimed to go to France, go to Versailles and force them to terminate that treaty. That's why many people voted for him. And he actually really did that.
You can say all you want about the other wars, but US involvement in WWII was the most necessary.
Thanks for the info, it sounds to me like Hitler didn't blame Kaiser Wilhelm for the WW1 loss, but rather the rest of Germany that didn't give him enough support. So, is there anything you can tell me at all about the role the Jews might have played in Germany to cause the Germans to lose WW1, anything that might have caused the Nazi's to be bitter towards them? Also, was Hitler mad at the Jews for their behaivor against Germany in WW1, or for things they did after WW1, or both? Can you explain more?I appreciate any information you have cause I've been reading a lot these past several months about WW1 cause of the Ottoman Empire relationship with Germany, and your the first German I've talked to about all this.
So, is there anything you can tell me at all about the role the Jews might have played in Germany to cause the Germans to lose WW1, anything that might have caused the Nazi's to be bitter towards them? Also, was Hitler mad at the Jews for their behaivor against Germany in WW1, or for things they did after WW1, or both? Can you explain more?I appreciate any information you have cause I've been reading a lot these past several months about WW1 cause of the Ottoman Empire relationship with Germany, and your the first German I've talked to about all this.
Quote from: 7even on June 06, 2007, 03:45:34 PMThe version of Hitler (and other politicians) on why they lost is because they didn't get enough support from home. That theory is called "Dolchstoßlegende" (trans.: the legend about being backstabbed with a dagger). A lot of politicians at home thought the war was unwinnable and openly spoke out against generals and Wilhelm. Those people were later refered to as "Die Novemberverbrecher" (trans.: the criminals of november [in reference to the capitulation in november 1918]) and accused of treason. Anti-semitism was of course involved here too, like with pretty much everything Hitler had his hands in.I don't know if Hitler ever publically stated his view on Kaiser Wilhelm. But I do know this: He said that when Germany gave up in 1918 and when the treaty of Versailles happened, that was precisely the time when he decided to become a politician. He was 1. really disappointed because the "traitors"/"leftists"/"democrats"/Novemberverbrecher" ... whatever you wanna call them, turned their back on Wilhelm which ultimately led to capitulation and 2. very upset with how insane the treaty of Versailles was. When he became a politician and had his first speeches and shit, he claimed to go to France, go to Versailles and force them to terminate that treaty. That's why many people voted for him. And he actually really did that. Thanks for the info, it sounds to me like Hitler didn't blame Kaiser Wilhelm for the WW1 loss, but rather the rest of Germany that didn't give him enough support. So, is there anything you can tell me at all about the role the Jews might have played in Germany to cause the Germans to lose WW1, anything that might have caused the Nazi's to be bitter towards them? Also, was Hitler mad at the Jews for their behaivor against Germany in WW1, or for things they did after WW1, or both? Can you explain more?I appreciate any information you have cause I've been reading a lot these past several months about WW1 cause of the Ottoman Empire relationship with Germany, and your the first German I've talked to about all this.
I would actually attribute the Allied victory over Germany/Ottomans to Russia and Britian more than US, and in the aftermath it's possible Russia could have done more harm to Germany than US, but I haven't researched that aspect much.
Point is the Jews didn't do anything. Matter of fact they fought with the Germans in WWI, 'cause they were German citizens. But Infinite I don't wanna' destroy your dreams or nothin' but Hitler didn't except the Moslems. They were like animals for the Germans. The German race was superior and Germany was foreseen to rule the world, that's what Hitler said. Even if Germany would've won, they would never have shared their power with the Ottoman Empire man, believe me. As soon as they'd won they would've fucked the Ottoman Empire up too. And back to the Jews, they really didn't do anything Hitler was just mad and jealous, 'cause all the high positions in banking and finance were run by Jews. He just needed someone to blame for Germany's fucked up situation after the World Economy went down.
Quote from: D-Lyte on June 07, 2007, 11:28:55 AMPoint is the Jews didn't do anything. Matter of fact they fought with the Germans in WWI, 'cause they were German citizens. But Infinite I don't wanna' destroy your dreams or nothin' but Hitler didn't except the Moslems. They were like animals for the Germans. The German race was superior and Germany was foreseen to rule the world, that's what Hitler said. Even if Germany would've won, they would never have shared their power with the Ottoman Empire man, believe me. As soon as they'd won they would've fucked the Ottoman Empire up too. And back to the Jews, they really didn't do anything Hitler was just mad and jealous, 'cause all the high positions in banking and finance were run by Jews. He just needed someone to blame for Germany's fucked up situation after the World Economy went down.First of all, there's no way that you can tell me the German Jews didn't do anything. Zionism was becoming very popular at the time, and there was an oppurtunity being promised to them by the allied forces for a homeland in Palestine, so you can't tell me the German Jews just hung out and did nothing. I know many Jews served in the war to fight against the Ottomans.Secondly, did I ever say Hitler loved Muslims? That's not the issue here, I was trying to find out more info about the German's perspective in WW1. You keep talking about Hilter, because all you were taught in your stupid 9th grade history class was that he was a big bad monster who killed Jews for no reason. Maybe part of that is true, but it's not the whole story. And actually I'm not really even talking about Hitler so much here, I'm actually more concerned with the WW1 era, and the fall out of that war.I know Kaiser Wilhelm liked Muslims because he's quoted as saying he was impressed in his travels through the Ottoman Empire in 1904 and if he hadn't had a religion before travelling, he says "I would have converted to Islam".^^Now, that could have just been said to gain the Ottomans support in WW1. And it is possible that if Germany would have won, they might have then looked to gain control over the Ottomans lands and attacked them as well. It is possible.My position would be that Ottomans probably should have stayed nuetral and protected themselves during the war. No it ain't just 9th grade history class, I know what I'm talking about. Has nothin' to do with school. And yeah the Jews didn't do anything they lived like regular Germans, only difference was their religion and the high income they had.