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Can God commit suicide?
J @ M @ L:
No
1. You have to distinguish humans and their attributes from God's. God as a being is inconceivable to us. Time, life, death, pain, etc... none of that shit may even apply to God... those things may not even exist in God's realm... he may just have created the notions for humans. Just because one can use force/power to kill a human, doesn't mean the same is possible to result in the "death" of God. God created the concept of death... for humans.
2. When you pose a question of that sort, you'd have to look at more than just one attribute. For example, in Islam, another of God's attributes/names is Al-Baaqi (The Everlasting, The One that the state of non-existence is impossible for Him).... so to a Muslim, that would be a sufficient explanation.
3. One will then argue: well if God is omnipotent and can do anything, then he should be able to kill himself... but the fallacy lies in the assumption that death is even possible for God in the first place. It's like asking "Can God make a three sided square?"... "Can God make it so that 1 is greater than 2?". Logic limits omnipotence.
Chief:
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1. You have to distinguish humans and their attributes from God's. God as a being is inconceivable to us. Time, life, death, pain, etc... none of that shit may even apply to God... those things may not even exist in God's realm... he may just have created the notions for humans. Just because one can use force/power to kill a human, doesn't mean the same is possible to result in the "death" of God. God created the concept of death... for humans.
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so wouldnt christianity make sense in that regard?
J @ M @ L:
--- Quote from: Chief on June 15, 2007, 11:06:14 AM ---
--- Quote from: J @ M @ L on June 15, 2007, 10:11:39 AM ---
1. You have to distinguish humans and their attributes from God's. God as a being is inconceivable to us. Time, life, death, pain, etc... none of that shit may even apply to God... those things may not even exist in God's realm... he may just have created the notions for humans. Just because one can use force/power to kill a human, doesn't mean the same is possible to result in the "death" of God. God created the concept of death... for humans.
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so wouldnt christianity make sense in that regard?
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Can you be more specific as to what you're talking about?
I'm assuming you're referring to Jesus being God (correct me if I'm wrong), but if that's the case, then no, it's not the same thing.
Jesus was human, he lived amongst humans, he was constrained to time and space just like everyone else, he ate food for survival, etc...
Facez:
--- Quote from: Shallow on June 14, 2007, 08:58:09 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shakur Abdul-Latif's Definition Of Hip-Hop..by -Infinite- on June 14, 2007, 08:24:28 PM ---God can't live and die. He can't commit suicide. He is eternal, absolute, and Infnite. But some religions have deviated from this truth, like in Christianity for example, Paul started teaching that Jesus, a human, was actually a God.
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I have more problems with Paul than you do but even in Matthew it's shown that Jesus was worshipped. Let's not even get into John.
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it is hard for a lot of non-chrisitians misinformed people to understand how Jesus can be God. so i am going to try and explain it hopefully you will understand
Christians believe Jesus was god but believe he is the son of man (a human), so how can he be both? does the bible contradict itself thats probably what a lot of misinformed people would think because they lack knowledge of the bible.
there is a principal in the bible that people are spirit beings who posses an earthly suit (a body/flesh). our flesh is born of this world this side is weak, this is the side that: feels pain, cries, lusts etc, it desires food to live. the spirit gives life to the body it is where we get our ability to acquire knowledge, speak, and basically live. even though our flesh side is weak it overpowers the spirit and since we were born our flesh side trains our spirit on how to think what to do therefore making the spirit side weak, that is why a lot of us are weak and desire things of the world.
in order for gods will to be carried out on earth he needed a body. When Jesus was born instead of him being fully human and having a weak spirit and then eventually sinning god became his spirit and lived inside of him so that his spirit was strong from birth and so that hes flesh wouldn't over power him and cause him to sin.
here is an example from the bible from 1 Timothy 3:16
(16)And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
even though Jesus had God spirit inside of him he still had a human side because he was born of a woman (that is why he cried, grieved, and had to eat). because Jesus had a human side he had to train it with the word of God and d walk in godliness (reading the bible from a young age, going to synagogues, fasting etc) so that he would fall into not sin (walking in the flesh).
in order for people to live a Godly life the have to something called being born of the spirit this is basically being "born again" which is a renewal of your spirit to a Godly one (which is stronger than the flesh) and then basically doing what Jesus did (read the word of god, fasted, avoided sin, going to synagogues/church) in order to feed your spirit so that you do not fall into sin
John 3:5 (5) Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God
why? because John3:6 says: (6)That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit"
i hope you understood that.
thanks for the responses Sonofisis. this is an interesting thread/topic
Narrator:
I am GOD. And I will not commit suicide. I will, however, kill lots of crackers.
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