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Can God commit suicide?
Chief:
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--- Quote from: Chief on June 13, 2007, 10:31:50 PM ---why would god want to kill himself?
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Not really relevent.
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isnt it?
7even:
sonofisis, why have you responded to that? lol...
I quoted myself out of context? do you have to rely on retarded claims as the foundation for your irrational assumptions? it really is sort of sad that I have to explain everything I say for you to grasp it. I feel like a teacher who went into the wrong room and finds himself in a special ed class. do you honestly think I "couldn't grasp" the paradox? that is absurd. nigga just because I don't analyse the paradox neatly and give you props for that dope question or something, doesn't mean I didn't grasp it. actually it is quite unrealistic to not grasp it because it is not very hard to grasp, especially for somebody who studies philosophy in an elite university and has to put up with the views of men who died hundreds of years ago on retarded constructions such as this question.
ok, here's my take on why the mortal warrior part was actually not ignoring an accurate definition of omnipotent. I didn't think it was necessary, as it is not really that deep or anything, but for slow learners such as yourself it might be. for the people, god is so powerful and shit, they can't grasp his power because it goes beyond their imagination. there is nothing they can grasp that he can't do. or so they think. now, as with god, a great warrior who can't be defeated doesn't exist neither, but in tales they do. imagine someone like achilles only without that vulnerable spot in the leg. fine. nobody would be able to beat him in a battle, but he would definitely be able to kill himself. that is the case for 2 reasons: being omnipotent is always a matter of perception. as conceived in the feeble minds of the inferior people, their greatest warrior can't be fucked with. such like god can't be fucked with. like a great warrior, god is so much more powerful than the average believer, that in comparison to them he seems to be omnipotent which leads to them thinking the way they do. but what would the great warrior be amoungst warriors just as great? what would god be amoungst other equally powerful gods? would they still be omnipotent? if so, what would happen in a fight? it doesn't work. now, as it is about him killing himself, it can be seen as the same thing as an equally powerful god killing him. like an equally powerful warrior killing the warrior. for what the slave perceives the warrior as, the warrior is unfuckwitable. for the preacher god is unfuckwitable. but that is only how it is conceived in their minds, as they don't know anything else that comes anywhere close to them in matters of power and therefore omnipotence.
another reason for god to be able to kill himself despite his omnipotence would be that a being that is capable of everything should be able to do anyfuckingthing it wants. that includes committing suicide. why wouldn't an all-mighty being be able to kill itself? it doesn't make sense to me lmao. how is not being able to do something (e.g. killing yourself) a part of being omnipotent? doesn't make any sense does it. in your feeble mind you might think that being omnipotent requires being indestructable. that is not entirely true. indestructable by someone inferior, yes. but only because the omnipotent being is that much more powerful, not because it is universally indestructable to begin with.
Raphael:
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Chief:
--- Quote from: 7even on June 15, 2007, 04:31:26 AM ---sonofisis, why have you responded to that? lol...
I quoted myself out of context? do you have to rely on retarded claims as the foundation for your irrational assumptions? it really is sort of sad that I have to explain everything I say for you to grasp it. I feel like a teacher who went into the wrong room and finds himself in a special ed class. do you honestly think I "couldn't grasp" the paradox? that is absurd. nigga just because I don't analyse the paradox neatly and give you props for that dope question or something, doesn't mean I didn't grasp it. actually it is quite unrealistic to not grasp it because it is not very hard to grasp, especially for somebody who studies philosophy in an elite university and has to put up with the views of men who died hundreds of years ago on retarded constructions such as this question.
ok, here's my take on why the mortal warrior part was actually not ignoring an accurate definition of omnipotent. I didn't think it was necessary, as it is not really that deep or anything, but for slow learners such as yourself it might be. for the people, god is so powerful and shit, they can't grasp his power because it goes beyond their imagination. there is nothing they can grasp that he can't do. or so they think. now, as with god, a great warrior who can't be defeated doesn't exist neither, but in tales they do. imagine someone like achilles only without that vulnerable spot in the leg. fine. nobody would be able to beat him in a battle, but he would definitely be able to kill himself. that is the case for 2 reasons: being omnipotent is always a matter of perception. as conceived in the feeble minds of the inferior people, their greatest warrior can't be fucked with. such like god can't be fucked with. like a great warrior, god is so much more powerful than the average believer, that in comparison to them he seems to be omnipotent which leads to them thinking the way they do. but what would the great warrior be amoungst warriors just as great? what would god be amoungst other equally powerful gods? would they still be omnipotent? if so, what would happen in a fight? it doesn't work. now, as it is about him killing himself, it can be seen as the same thing as an equally powerful god killing him. like an equally powerful warrior killing the warrior. for what the slave perceives the warrior as, the warrior is unfuckwitable. for the preacher god is unfuckwitable. but that is only how it is conceived in their minds, as they don't know anything else that comes anywhere close to them in matters of power and therefore omnipotence.
another reason for god to be able to kill himself despite his omnipotence would be that a being that is capable of everything should be able to do anyfuckingthing it wants. that includes committing suicide. why wouldn't an all-mighty being be able to kill itself? it doesn't make sense to me lmao. how is not being able to do something (e.g. killing yourself) a part of being omnipotent? doesn't make any sense does it. in your feeble mind you might think that being omnipotent requires being indestructable. that is not entirely true. indestructable by someone inferior, yes. but only because the omnipotent being is that much more powerful, not because it is universally indestructable to begin with.
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crazy karma
Elevz:
--- Quote from: 7even on June 15, 2007, 04:31:26 AM ---a being that is capable of everything should be able to do anyfuckingthing it wants. that includes committing suicide. why wouldn't an all-mighty being be able to kill itself? it doesn't make sense to me lmao. how is not being able to do something (e.g. killing yourself) a part of being omnipotent? doesn't make any sense does it. in your feeble mind you might think that being omnipotent requires being indestructable. that is not entirely true. indestructable by someone inferior, yes. but only because the omnipotent being is that much more powerful, not because it is universally indestructable to begin with.
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I don't know why it took you so long to get to that point, but that I agree with. If it were for true omnipotence, not for conceived omnipotence, how could there be multiple omnipotent beings at all? Wouldn't they limit the omnipotence of one another?
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