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Quote from: Chief on June 13, 2007, 10:31:50 PMwhy would god want to kill himself?Not really relevent.
why would god want to kill himself?
sonofisis, why have you responded to that? lol... I quoted myself out of context? do you have to rely on retarded claims as the foundation for your irrational assumptions? it really is sort of sad that I have to explain everything I say for you to grasp it. I feel like a teacher who went into the wrong room and finds himself in a special ed class. do you honestly think I "couldn't grasp" the paradox? that is absurd. nigga just because I don't analyse the paradox neatly and give you props for that dope question or something, doesn't mean I didn't grasp it. actually it is quite unrealistic to not grasp it because it is not very hard to grasp, especially for somebody who studies philosophy in an elite university and has to put up with the views of men who died hundreds of years ago on retarded constructions such as this question. ok, here's my take on why the mortal warrior part was actually not ignoring an accurate definition of omnipotent. I didn't think it was necessary, as it is not really that deep or anything, but for slow learners such as yourself it might be. for the people, god is so powerful and shit, they can't grasp his power because it goes beyond their imagination. there is nothing they can grasp that he can't do. or so they think. now, as with god, a great warrior who can't be defeated doesn't exist neither, but in tales they do. imagine someone like achilles only without that vulnerable spot in the leg. fine. nobody would be able to beat him in a battle, but he would definitely be able to kill himself. that is the case for 2 reasons: being omnipotent is always a matter of perception. as conceived in the feeble minds of the inferior people, their greatest warrior can't be fucked with. such like god can't be fucked with. like a great warrior, god is so much more powerful than the average believer, that in comparison to them he seems to be omnipotent which leads to them thinking the way they do. but what would the great warrior be amoungst warriors just as great? what would god be amoungst other equally powerful gods? would they still be omnipotent? if so, what would happen in a fight? it doesn't work. now, as it is about him killing himself, it can be seen as the same thing as an equally powerful god killing him. like an equally powerful warrior killing the warrior. for what the slave perceives the warrior as, the warrior is unfuckwitable. for the preacher god is unfuckwitable. but that is only how it is conceived in their minds, as they don't know anything else that comes anywhere close to them in matters of power and therefore omnipotence. another reason for god to be able to kill himself despite his omnipotence would be that a being that is capable of everything should be able to do anyfuckingthing it wants. that includes committing suicide. why wouldn't an all-mighty being be able to kill itself? it doesn't make sense to me lmao. how is not being able to do something (e.g. killing yourself) a part of being omnipotent? doesn't make any sense does it. in your feeble mind you might think that being omnipotent requires being indestructable. that is not entirely true. indestructable by someone inferior, yes. but only because the omnipotent being is that much more powerful, not because it is universally indestructable to begin with.
a being that is capable of everything should be able to do anyfuckingthing it wants. that includes committing suicide. why wouldn't an all-mighty being be able to kill itself? it doesn't make sense to me lmao. how is not being able to do something (e.g. killing yourself) a part of being omnipotent? doesn't make any sense does it. in your feeble mind you might think that being omnipotent requires being indestructable. that is not entirely true. indestructable by someone inferior, yes. but only because the omnipotent being is that much more powerful, not because it is universally indestructable to begin with.
my throat hurts, its hard to swallow, and my body feels like i got a serious ass beating.
1. You have to distinguish humans and their attributes from God's. God as a being is inconceivable to us. Time, life, death, pain, etc... none of that shit may even apply to God... those things may not even exist in God's realm... he may just have created the notions for humans. Just because one can use force/power to kill a human, doesn't mean the same is possible to result in the "death" of God. God created the concept of death... for humans.
Quote from: J @ M @ L on June 15, 2007, 10:11:39 AM1. You have to distinguish humans and their attributes from God's. God as a being is inconceivable to us. Time, life, death, pain, etc... none of that shit may even apply to God... those things may not even exist in God's realm... he may just have created the notions for humans. Just because one can use force/power to kill a human, doesn't mean the same is possible to result in the "death" of God. God created the concept of death... for humans.so wouldnt christianity make sense in that regard?
Quote from: Shakur Abdul-Latif's Definition Of Hip-Hop..by -Infinite- on June 14, 2007, 08:24:28 PMGod can't live and die. He can't commit suicide. He is eternal, absolute, and Infnite. But some religions have deviated from this truth, like in Christianity for example, Paul started teaching that Jesus, a human, was actually a God.I have more problems with Paul than you do but even in Matthew it's shown that Jesus was worshipped. Let's not even get into John.
God can't live and die. He can't commit suicide. He is eternal, absolute, and Infnite. But some religions have deviated from this truth, like in Christianity for example, Paul started teaching that Jesus, a human, was actually a God.
it is hard for a lot of non-chrisitians misinformed people to understand how Jesus can be God. so i am going to try and explain it hopefully you will understandChristians believe Jesus was god but believe he is the son of man (a human), so how can he be both? does the bible contradict itself thats probably what a lot of misinformed people would think because they lack knowledge of the bible.there is a principal in the bible that people are spirit beings who posses an earthly suit (a body/flesh). our flesh is born of this world this side is weak, this is the side that: feels pain, cries, lusts etc, it desires food to live. the spirit gives life to the body it is where we get our ability to acquire knowledge, speak, and basically live. even though our flesh side is weak it overpowers the spirit and since we were born our flesh side trains our spirit on how to think what to do therefore making the spirit side weak, that is why a lot of us are weak and desire things of the world. in order for gods will to be carried out on earth he needed a body. When Jesus was born instead of him being fully human and having a weak spirit and then eventually sinning god became his spirit and lived inside of him so that his spirit was strong from birth and so that hes flesh wouldn't over power him and cause him to sin.here is an example from the bible from 1 Timothy 3:16(16)And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.even though Jesus had God spirit inside of him he still had a human side because he was born of a woman (that is why he cried, grieved, and had to eat). because Jesus had a human side he had to train it with the word of God and d walk in godliness (reading the bible from a young age, going to synagogues, fasting etc) so that he would fall into not sin (walking in the flesh). in order for people to live a Godly life the have to something called being born of the spirit this is basically being "born again" which is a renewal of your spirit to a Godly one (which is stronger than the flesh) and then basically doing what Jesus did (read the word of god, fasted, avoided sin, going to synagogues/church) in order to feed your spirit so that you do not fall into sinJohn 3:5 (5) Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of Godwhy? because John3:6 says: (6)That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit" i hope you understood that.thanks for the responses Sonofisis. this is an interesting thread/topic
Quote from: Chief on June 15, 2007, 11:06:14 AMQuote from: J @ M @ L on June 15, 2007, 10:11:39 AM1. You have to distinguish humans and their attributes from God's. God as a being is inconceivable to us. Time, life, death, pain, etc... none of that shit may even apply to God... those things may not even exist in God's realm... he may just have created the notions for humans. Just because one can use force/power to kill a human, doesn't mean the same is possible to result in the "death" of God. God created the concept of death... for humans.so wouldnt christianity make sense in that regard?Can you be more specific as to what you're talking about? I'm assuming you're referring to Jesus being God (correct me if I'm wrong), but if that's the case, then no, it's not the same thing. Jesus was human, he lived amongst humans, he was constrained to time and space just like everyone else, he ate food for survival, etc...
sonofisis, why have you responded to that? lol... I quoted myself out of context? do you have to rely on retarded claims as the foundation for your irrational assumptions? it really is sort of sad that I have to explain everything I say for you to grasp it. I feel like a teacher who went into the wrong room and finds himself in a special ed class. do you honestly think I "couldn't grasp" the paradox? that is absurd. nigga just because I don't analyse the paradox neatly and give you props for that dope question or something, doesn't mean I didn't grasp it. actually it is quite unrealistic to not grasp it because it is not very hard to grasp, especially for somebody who studies philosophy in an elite university and has to put up with the views of men who died hundreds of years ago on retarded constructions such as this question.
ok, here's my take on why the mortal warrior part was actually not ignoring an accurate definition of omnipotent. I didn't think it was necessary, as it is not really that deep or anything, but for slow learners such as yourself it might be. for the people, god is so powerful and shit, they can't grasp his power because it goes beyond their imagination. there is nothing they can grasp that he can't do. or so they think. now, as with god, a great warrior who can't be defeated doesn't exist neither, but in tales they do. imagine someone like achilles only without that vulnerable spot in the leg. fine. nobody would be able to beat him in a battle, but he would definitely be able to kill himself. that is the case for 2 reasons: being omnipotent is always a matter of perception. as conceived in the feeble minds of the inferior people, their greatest warrior can't be fucked with. such like god can't be fucked with. like a great warrior, god is so much more powerful than the average believer, that in comparison to them he seems to be omnipotent which leads to them thinking the way they do. but what would the great warrior be amoungst warriors just as great? what would god be amoungst other equally powerful gods? would they still be omnipotent? if so, what would happen in a fight? it doesn't work. now, as it is about him killing himself, it can be seen as the same thing as an equally powerful god killing him. like an equally powerful warrior killing the warrior. for what the slave perceives the warrior as, the warrior is unfuckwitable. for the preacher god is unfuckwitable. but that is only how it is conceived in their minds, as they don't know anything else that comes anywhere close to them in matters of power and therefore omnipotence. another reason for god to be able to kill himself despite his omnipotence would be that a being that is capable of everything should be able to do anyfuckingthing it wants. that includes committing suicide. why wouldn't an all-mighty being be able to kill itself? it doesn't make sense to me lmao. how is not being able to do something (e.g. killing yourself) a part of being omnipotent? doesn't make any sense does it. in your feeble mind you might think that being omnipotent requires being indestructable. that is not entirely true. indestructable by someone inferior, yes. but only because the omnipotent being is that much more powerful, not because it is universally indestructable to begin with.
All powerful = indestructible as much as it means eternal, eternal meaning deathless, so God should not be able to kill himself under the circumstances which you grant him. But at the same time he should because he is "all powerful"!