For those of you who like to compare Kobe and Jordan, check it!

[teecee]

This was jacked from a thread on SOHH; whoever compiled all of this info is an UBERNERD to the fullest!  I, for one, think Kobe is great and one of the best ever, but below you will see how far Kobe has to go to fuck with Jordan.  The thing is, Kobe has more than enough talent to do it, its all there, but his shot selection and b-ball IQ will likely prevent him from truly being on MJ's level.  I don't agree with all of the assessments below due to the different amount of games they are played, but some are entirely relevant.  Peace
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Games with 15+ assists
Air Jordan: 5
Kobe Bryant: 1
Games with 12+ assists
Air Jordan: 26
Kobe Bryant: 12
Games with 10+ assists
Air Jordan: 76
Kobe Bean Bryant: 52
Games with 8+ assists
Air Jordan: 207
Kobe Bean Bryant: 114
Games with 5+ assists
Air Jordan: 587
Kobe Bean Bryant: 353
Games with less than 3 assists
Air Jordan: 150
Kobe Bean Bryant: 188
Games with less than 2 assists
Air Jordan: 51
Kobe Bean Bryant: 105
Games with NO assists
Air Jordan: 7
Kobe Bean Bryant: 47
Games with 15+ rebounds
Air Jordan: 8
Kobe Bean Bryant: 2
Games with 12+ rebounds
Air Jordan: 61
Kobe Bean Bryant: 20
Games with 10+ rebounds
Air Jordan: 151
Kobe Bean Bryant: 70
GOT DEFENSE?
Games with 8+ steals
Air: 12
Bean: 0
Games with 7+ steals
Air: 18
Bean: 1
Games with 6+ steals
Air: 47
Bean: 6
Games with 5+ steals
Air: 110
Bean: 26
Games with 4+ steals
Air: 235
Bean: 63
Games with 3+ steals
Air: 460
Bean: 165
Of the 143 50 point games since 1986, in terms of shooting percentage:
Michael Jordan's games include #1, #5, #8, #17, #21, #22, etc.
Kobe Bryant's games include
10 of the 30 worst
7 of the 15 worst
The 3 worst
#118, #120, #122, #129, #131, #132, #133, #141, #142, #143
In NBA history, there are 13 50 point games with under 50% shooting, and Kobe Bryant is responsible for 6 of them.
Of every game played since 1986:
Michael Jordan has 13 of top 25 game scores: #1, #4, #6, #6 (ties himself), #11, #16, #16, #19, #20, #21, #22, #23, #25
Kobe Bryant has 3 of the top 25 game scores.
What is Game Score? Game Score is a simple formula that evaluates a player’s individual game performance. All statistics in the box score are summed up, with different weights for different stats, to show how impressive a player’s all-around contribution is.
Kobe Bryant also has:
2nd worst known game score for a player scoring 10+ points. (5-21 shooting)
2nd worst known game score for a player scoring 30+ points. (11-29)
Worst and 4th worst known game scores for a player scoring 40+ points. (17-47, 12-30)
Games with 15+ rebounds
Air Jordan: 8
Kobe Bean Bryant: 2
Games with 12+ rebounds
Air Jordan: 61
Kobe Bean Bryant: 20
Games with 10+ rebounds
Air Jordan: 151
Kobe Bean Bryant: 70
Games with 15+ assists
Air Jordan: 5
Kobe Bryant: 1
Games with 12+ assists
Air Jordan: 26
Kobe Bryant: 12
Games with 10+ assists
Air Jordan: 76
Kobe Bean Bryant: 52
Games with 8+ assists
Air Jordan: 207
Kobe Bean Bryant: 114
Games with 5+ assists
Air Jordan: 587
Kobe Bean Bryant: 353
Games with less than 3 assists
Air Jordan: 150
Kobe Bean Bryant: 188
Games with less than 2 assists
Air Jordan: 51
Kobe Bean Bryant: 105
Games with NO assists
Air Jordan: 7
Kobe Bean Bryant: 47
Games with 8+ steals
Air: 12
Bean: 0
Games with 7+ steals
Air: 18
Bean: 1
Games with 6+ steals
Air: 47
Bean: 6
Games with 5+ steals
Air: 110
Bean: 26
Games with 4+ steals
Air: 235
Bean: 63
Games with 3+ steals
Air: 460
Bean: 165
Games with multiple blocks
Air: 220
Bean: 102
Games with 3+ blocks
Air: 70
Bean: 22
Games with 4+ blocks
Air: 25
Bean: 4
Games with less than 4 turnovers
Air: 775
Bean: 489
Games with less than 3 turnovers
Air: 545
Bean: 333
Games with less than 2 turnovers
Air: 275
Bean: 177
Games with NO turnovers
Air: 90
Bean: 45
Games with 5+ turnovers
Air: 132 (2 out of every 16 games)
Bean: 147 (3 out of every 16 games)
Games with more turnovers than assists
Air: 144 (13 out of every 100 games)
Bean: 174 (22 out of every 100 games)
Foul Outs
Air: 7
Bean: 16
Percentage of points scored on free throws
Michael Jordan: 22.7%
Kobe Bryant: 25.9%
Percentage of points scored on two point field goals
Michael Jordan: 72%
Kobe Bryant: 59%
Three point shot attempts per game
Air Jordan: 1.66
Kobe Bryant: 3.54 (more) (less)
All-Rookie First Team
Michael Jordan: Yes
Kobe Bryant: No
Kobe Bryant was voted to the All-Star team his rookie year for some reason, even though he didn’t make the All-Rookie First Team…
Olympic Gold Medals
Michael Jordan: 2
Kobe Bryant: 0
Michael Jordan is one of three players to win an Olympic gold as both an amateur (1984) and professional (1992). The other players are Patrick Ewing and Chris Mullin, who did it with him.
All-Star selections
Michael Jordan: 14
Kobe Bryant: 9
Michael Jordan was an All-Star every year he was eligible, including his injury plagued 1986 season. He is #2 all time in NBA All-Star selections behind Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.
 

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All-Star Game Most Valuable Player awards
Michael Jordan: 3
Kobe Bryant: 2
Jordan’s 40 points in 1988 is still the second most points in an All-Star Game behind Wilt Chamberlain’s 42. Jordan also recorded the only All-Star Game triple double in NBA history in 1997, but did not receive MVP.
Scoring titles
Michael Jordan: 10
Kobe Bryant: 2
Of course Jordan has the most scoring titles in NBA history. He also led the league in total points his rookie season, but was third in scoring average. He is the only player besides Wilt Chamberlain to score 3,000 points in a season.
Steals titles
Michael Jordan: 3
Kobe Bryant: 0
Jordan was the first player in NBA history to lead the league in both scoring and steals. He achieved this feat three times. The only other player to do it is Allen Iverson.
Jordan was the first player in NBA history to record 200 steals and 100 blocks in a season. He performed this feat in back-to-back seasons, making him the only player to perform it multiple times. Hakeem Olajuwon and Scottie Pippen later achieved 200 steals and 100 blocks in one season.
Michael Jordan was named the 1991 Sportsman of the Year by Sports Illustrated.
Jordan is the fourth player in NBA history to win a scoring title and an NBA championship in the same season, which he did all six times.
In 1996, Jordan became the second player in NBA history to sweep the MVP awards (regular season, NBA Finals, All-Star Game) after Willis Reed. He would sweep them again in 1998, making him the only player to do it multiple times.
Michael Jordan led the Chicago Bulls to the best regular season and combined regular season and postseason records in NBA history.
Michael Jordan scored in double digits in all but one game as a Chicago Bull out of 1,109 total games.
College awards at North Carolina
1984 ACC Men’s Basketball Player of the Year
1984 USBWA College Player of the Year
1984 Naismith College Player of the Year
1984 John R. Wooden Award
1984 Adolph Rupp Trophy
1982 ACC Freshman of the Year
1982 national championship
Game-winning defensive play and shot in the 1982 national championship game against Georgetown
“The Clutch Factor”
Stop saying Kobe Bryant is one of the most clutch players ever.
Please watch film of Larry Bird, Reggie Miller, Robert Horry, and how about… Michael Jordan?
These are approximations because it is difficult to define “clutch”. Here we have defined it as shots within the last 24 seconds of a game within 2 points.
Game winning shots
Michael Jordan: 33 out of 58 attempts (56.9%)
Kobe Bryant: 7 out of 32 attempts (21.9%)
Michael Jordan has the most known game winning shots of any player in NBA history. He has by far the highest conversion rate in the clutch.
Michael Jordan led countless 4th quarter comebacks in which he singlehandedly won the game throughout his career.
Among Kobe’s 32 clutch opportunities, he has yet to pass the ball to another player. He has by far the most end of game situations with no assists of any player in NBA history. He has one of the lowest conversion rates in the clutch.
Game winning shots in the playoffs
Kobe: 5
Jordan: Approximately 15
Kobe Bryant is not among the top 100 players all time in assists per game.
Michael Jordan is. He’s #76 in assists per game and #34 in assists.
Michael Jordan is #3 all time in rebounding by a guard (behind Magic Johnson and Oscar Robertson).
Kobe Bryant is not among the top 50 players all time in steals per game.
Michael Jordan is. He’s #4 in steals per game and #2 in steals.
Michael Jordan is #1 all time in blocks by a guard.
Kobe Bryant is not among the top 10 players all time in points per game.
Michael Jordan is #1 all time in points per game and #3 in points.
Record in games with 30+ shot attempts
Michael Air Jordan: 72-57 (.558)
Kobe Bean Bryant: 31-39 (.443)
Record as team leader
Michael Air Jordan: 640-290 (.688)
Kobe Bean Bryant: 121-125 (.492)
Record, all team games
Michael Air Jordan: 706-366 (.659)
Kobe Bean Bryant: 556-314 (.639)
Postseason as team leader
Air: Missed postseason 0 times in 13 seasons
Bean: Missed postseason 1 time in 3 seasons
How do their teams fare without them?
Team record in games missed
Michael Jordan: 19-49 (.279)
86: 18-43
89: 0-1
92: 0-2
93: 1-3
Even the world champion Bulls suffered 1-5 without their undisputed leader.
Kobe Bryant: 53-33 (.616)
97: 8-3
98: 3-0
00: 12-4
01: 11-3
02: 2-0
The championship Lakers teams seemed barely affected by the absence of Kobe.
Also of note: Kobe Bryant tore a championship team apart. Michael Jordan pieced a championship team together.
ACTUAL ACCOMPLISHMENTS
NBA championships
Michael Jordan: 6 in 6 NBA Finals
Kobe Bryant: 3 in 4 NBA Finals
NBA Finals Most Valuable Player awards
Michael Jordan: 6
Kobe Bryant: 0
No one is close to Michael Jordan in NBA Finals MVPs.
Regular season Most Valuable Player awards
Michael Jordan: 5
Kobe Bryant: 0
Michael Jordan was so dominant and valuable to his team that he LOST MVP awards because of it. The league voters were tired of awarding it to the same player, and gave it to Magic Johnson in 1989 and 1990 instead because he had only received MVP once. Jordan is #1 all time in MVP voting, and has 14 combined MVP awards (regular season, NBA Finals, All-Star), the most all time.
All-NBA First Team selections
Michael Jordan: 10
Kobe Bryant: 5
Michael Jordan is tied for #2 all time in All-NBA First Teams behind Karl Malone with 11.
All-Defensive First Team selections
Michael Jordan: 9
Kobe Bryant: 5
Michael Jordan has made more All-Defensive First Teams than any other player in NBA history. This last All-Defensive First Team honor for Kobe was complete bulls***, but whatever.
Defensive Player of the Year awards
Michael Jordan: 1
Kobe Bryant: 0
Michael averaged 35 points per game when he won DPoY. The next closest scorer to win it had 27 ppg. Guards rarely receive Defensive Player of the Year.
Rookie of the Year
Michael Jordan: Yes
Kobe Bryant: No
In his rookie year, Michael Jordan led his team in scoring, rebounding, assists and steals. He is the only player in NBA history to lead his team in four (of the 5) categories, and obviously the only rookie to do it. Julius Erving did it in the ABA, but never in the NBA. Jordan was 4 blocks away from repeating this feat in 1989.
Michael Jordan led his team in three stats 5 different times, including leading the team in blocks several times. Kobe Bryant has led his team in three categories once in his career.
Career Player Efficiency Rating
Michael Jordan: 27.91
Kobe Bryant: 23.49
What is Player Efficiency Rating? PER is a formula that uses a player’s stats to determine how productive and efficient he is in his time on the court. If you shoot the ball a lot, but don’t shoot as well, your rating goes down. If you turn the ball over a lot, your rating goes down. If you are efficient and contribute an all-around game, your rating goes up. Due to factors like shooting percentage, it’s almost impossible for a guard to have a very high career rating, like above 25 (Jordan is the only one).
Highest PER Season
Michael Jordan: 31.71
Kobe Bryant: 27.97
40 point games
MJ: 173
Kobe: 85
30 point games
MJ: 561
Kobe: 245
20 point games
MJ: 926
Kobe: 520
Games with under 50% shooting
Michael Jordan: 466 (43% of games)
Kobe Bryant: 489 (62% of games)
Games with under 48% shooting
Michael Jordan: 437 (41% of games)
Kobe Bryant: 470 (60% of games)
Games with under 46% shooting
Michael Jordan: 360 (33% of games)
Kobe Bryant: 417 (53% of games)
Games with under 44% shooting
Michael Jordan: 288 (1 out of every 4 games)
Kobe Bryant: 353 (1 out of every 2 games)
Games with under 42% shooting
Michael Jordan: 228 (1 out of every 5 games)
Kobe Bryant: 307 (2 out of every 5 games)
Games with under 40% shooting
Michael Jordan: 154 (1 out of every 7 games)
Kobe Bryant: 246 (1 out of every 3 games)
Games with under 35% shooting
Michael Jordan: 85 (8 out of every 100 games)
Kobe Bryant: 156 (20 out of every 100 games)
Games with under 30% shooting
Michael Jordan: 39 (1 out of every 28 games)
Kobe Bryant: 81 (1 out of every 10 games)
Games with 70% or better shooting
Michael “Air” Jordan: 23 (1 out of every 45 games)
Kobe “Bean” Bryant: 5 (1 out of every 160 games)
Games with 60% or better shooting
Michael “Air” Jordan: 160 (1 out of every 7 games)
Kobe “Bean” Bryant: 53 (1 out of every 15 games)
Games with 50% or better shooting
Michael “Air” Jordan: 504 (1 out of every 2 games)
Kobe “Bean” Bryant: 203 (1 out of every 4 games)
Games with 20 shots made on 60% or better shooting
MJ: 15
Kobe: 3
Games with 15 shots made on 60% or better shooting
MJ: 77
Kobe: 17
Games with 15 shots made on 50% or better shooting
MJ: 174
Kobe: 45
Games with 50 points & less than 10 free throw attempts
MJ: 3
Kobe: 0
Games with 40 points & less than 10 free throw attempts
MJ: 27
Kobe: 15
40 point games with less than 5 three point attempts
MJ: 156 (9 out of 10 40 pt games)
Kobe: 26 (3 out of 10 40 pt games)
Games with 40 points and under 50% shooting
MJ: 27 (16% of his 40 pt games)
Kobe: 40 (47% of his 40 pt games)
Games with 40 points and under 45% shooting
MJ: 13 (8% of his 40 pt games)
Kobe: 18 (21% of his 40 pt games)
Games with 40 points and under 40% shooting
MJ: 2 (1% of his 40 pt games)
Kobe: 7 (8% of his 40 pt games)
Yes, that's right, almost half of Kobe's 40 point games involved missing more shots than made ones.
50 point games with under 50% shooting
Michael Jordan: 1 of his 31 games (15-31, 48%)
Kobe Bryant: 6 of his 21 games
50 point games with under 45% shooting
Michael Jordan: 0
Kobe Bryant: 3
NBA Playoffs
50 point games
KB: 1
MJ: 8
40 point games
KB: 4
MJ: 38
30 point games
KB: 33
MJ: 109
20 point games
KB: 86
MJ: 173
Assist to turnover ratio
Jordan: 1.93
Kobe: 1.56
Assists per game
Jordan: 5.3
Kobe: 4.5
In order to match Jordan's assists numbers by the time he has played as long as Jordan, he needs to average 7.2 apg. It'd be nice to see if Kobe could ever average this in a week.
These idiots don't know that Jordan played during the slowest paced era in history and still put up 30.
Percentage of team's points scored in the NBA Finals
2000: 14.5% (not even including the game he missed) (W)
2001: 24.4% (W)
2002: 25.2% (W)
2004: 27.6% (L)
Michael Jordan
1991: 30.8% (W)
1992: 34.6% (W)
1993: 38.3% (W)
1996: 29.4% (W)
1997: 36.8% (W)
1998: 38.1% (W)
 

[Fuck Your Existence]

awesome,another jordan,kobe thread.......

[Now_Im_Not_Banned]

What the hell is this? LMAO. Kobe has played HALF a career...

[Teddy Roosevelt]

Games played:
Jordan: 1072
Kobe: 784

Minutes played:
Jordan: 41,011
Kobe: 28,379

Seasons played:
Jordan: 15
Kobe: 11

[Now_Im_Not_Banned]

Games played:
Jordan: 1072
Kobe: 784

Minutes played:
Jordan: 41,011
Kobe: 28,379

Seasons played:
Jordan: 15
Kobe: 11

And Kobe's played 10 seasons, not 11...Add to that the fact that he had to work his way off the bench behind Eddie Jones, as opposed to Jordan, who instantly became the center-piece of the franchise the day he was drafted.

[teecee]

What the hell is this? LMAO. Kobe has played HALF a career...

Exactly; that is why i pointed out that not all of these numbers mean a whole lot.  However, MANY of them are quite telling, but as usual you nitpick and disregard the things that are on point.  

Point in case:

Games with NO assists:

Jordan-  7

Kobe- 47!!!

Games with 5+ turnovers-

Jordan-132

Kobe-147
Games with under 50% shooting
Michael Jordan: 466 (43% of games)
Kobe Bryant: 489 (62% of games)

Kobe Bryant is not among the top 100 players all time in assists per game.
Michael Jordan is. He’s #76 in assists per game and #34 in assists.
Michael Jordan is #3 all time in rebounding by a guard (behind Magic Johnson and Oscar Robertson).
Kobe Bryant is not among the top 50 players all time in steals per game.
Michael Jordan is. He’s #4 in steals per game and #2 in steals.
Michael Jordan is #1 all time in blocks by a guard.

Games with 8+ steals
Air: 12
Bean: 0
Games with 7+ steals
Air: 18
Bean: 1


Of the 143 50 point games since 1986, in terms of shooting percentage:
Michael Jordan's games include #1, #5, #8, #17, #21, #22, etc.
Kobe Bryant's games include
10 of the 30 worst
7 of the 15 worst
The 3 worst
#118, #120, #122, #129, #131, #132, #133, #141, #142, #143
In NBA history, there are 13 50 point games with under 50% shooting, and Kobe Bryant is responsible for 6 of them.


Games playes will only make somethings worse for Kobe; he will never catch Jordan's 3 games played with no assists!

[Teddy Roosevelt]

And Kobe's played 10 seasons, not 11

Really? 96-97,97-98,98-99,99-00,00-01,01-02,02-03,03-04,04-05,05-06,06-07

[WC Iz Active]

^^LOL, I cant believe the homie NIK missed that

[Citizen-Y]

I can't wait till he's traded and the mod can stop slobbering about him.

[jeromechickenbone]

Even if Mr. Bean hasn't played as many games, he'll still not overtake Jordan in many of those statistics.

Jordan>>>>>>>>>>>Kobe. 

[teecee]

Even if Mr. Bean hasn't played as many games, he'll still not overtake Jordan in many of those statistics.

Jordan>>>>>>>>>>>Kobe. 

Exactly!

Kobe could make 1500 shots in a row, and he'd barely pass Jordan in FG%.
Now let's assume that Kobe takes 2000 shots per season.
At that rate he'd need to convert on 56.3% of his shot attempts for the next five years. We know this is impossible already, especially for a guard. Even MJ couldn't do it for a season!
Or perhaps Kobe plays for ten more years, averaging 1500 shots per season. He'd need to shoot over 54% to match Jordan, and once again, Jordan barely did this himself for one season.
If Kobe played until he was 50, another 21 years and every game of every season starting now, he would still have to average 32.6 ppg just to near Jordan's career ppg. HAHA!
sfhguibnbhq | May 18, 2007
If Kobe played another ten years (which he won't), and averaged 80 games each season (800 games total), he would have to average over 35.5 points per game to match Jordan's career scoring average. Kobe won't even have a season on that level.
If Kobe played another 8 years for 640 more games, 36.9 ppg.
If Kobe played another 5 years for 400 more games, 41 ppg.
If Kobe wanted to match Jordan's average by the time he has been playing as long as Jordan did, 45.1 ppg... yeah right.

Of course, alot of that has to do with Kobe coming to the league at 18, which WAS his choice.  Lebron was able to be dominant at 18, why not Kobe?

[Citizen-Y]

Even if Mr. Bean hasn't played as many games, he'll still not overtake Jordan in many of those statistics.

Jordan>>>>>>>>>>>Kobe. 

Exactly!

Kobe could make 1500 shots in a row, and he'd barely pass Jordan in FG%.
Now let's assume that Kobe takes 2000 shots per season.
At that rate he'd need to convert on 56.3% of his shot attempts for the next five years. We know this is impossible already, especially for a guard. Even MJ couldn't do it for a season!
Or perhaps Kobe plays for ten more years, averaging 1500 shots per season. He'd need to shoot over 54% to match Jordan, and once again, Jordan barely did this himself for one season.
If Kobe played until he was 50, another 21 years and every game of every season starting now, he would still have to average 32.6 ppg just to near Jordan's career ppg. HAHA!
sfhguibnbhq | May 18, 2007
If Kobe played another ten years (which he won't), and averaged 80 games each season (800 games total), he would have to average over 35.5 points per game to match Jordan's career scoring average. Kobe won't even have a season on that level.
If Kobe played another 8 years for 640 more games, 36.9 ppg.
If Kobe played another 5 years for 400 more games, 41 ppg.
If Kobe wanted to match Jordan's average by the time he has been playing as long as Jordan did, 45.1 ppg... yeah right.

Of course, alot of that has to do with Kobe coming to the league at 18, which WAS his choice.  Lebron was able to be dominant at 18, why not Kobe?

BECAUSE HE WAS BEHIND EDDIE JONES GOSH YOU NERD

[teecee]

If he was as good at 18 as LBJ , he wouldn't have been behind Eddie Jones, simple as that.  Kobe was not that good at that age, did you watch when he was on the court? 

However, who's to say Jordan would have been great in the NBA at 18; he wasn't even the best player on his college team.  That is besides the point; Kobe came to the NBA at 18 as the first guard to make the jump, and he wasn't really ready.  His choice, oh well.

[GangstaBoogy]

Games played:
Jordan: 1072
Kobe: 784

Minutes played:
Jordan: 41,011
Kobe: 28,379

Seasons played:
Jordan: 15
Kobe: 11

Lol really let's give Kobe time to catch up. Some of those stats he won't top but he still has a great chance to break some of them.

Magic > Jordan anyway

[Now_Im_Not_Banned]

And Kobe's played 10 seasons, not 11

Really? 96-97,97-98,98-99,99-00,00-01,01-02,02-03,03-04,04-05,05-06,06-07

10 1/2...98-99=expansion.