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I just don't want him making any abrupt changes that would upset his old fans, in example singing through t-pain vocoder or doing songs for bitches. Sticking to old topics, bitches, guns and blunts, suits for me. And no gay-unit on the album.
Quote from: gimmeyourshoes on November 06, 2007, 05:15:13 AMI just don't want him making any abrupt changes that would upset his old fans, in example singing through t-pain vocoder or doing songs for bitches. Sticking to old topics, bitches, guns and blunts, suits for me. And no gay-unit on the album.you might be old but you're still a young fucktard inside
Sticking to old topics, bitches, guns and blunts, suits for me.
Quote from: gimmeyourshoes on November 06, 2007, 05:15:13 AMSticking to old topics, bitches, guns and blunts, suits for me. Don't you get it that this is ecactly what Dre does not want to do. If you want that go listen to Chronic and 2001. I expect tracks like Imagine on Detox, concept wise.
Matter of fact I think this should be the "new trend",Bishop said that his album is now 70% Dre,fuck it just cut away the "30%" and let it all be just Dre and Bishop.I would say the same if Focus,Dae One or any other producer had done 70%,I want the DJ/producer and MC concept back.Fuck all those compilation albums with all the "hot" producers and guests.That bullshit can they save for OST´s and whatever compilations.
True, I think Bishop has that in plan for the 2nd LP though, "The Impossible Possible" produced by Dr.Dre & Scott Storch. I somehow doubt he'll cancel those Premo, Pete Rock, Lord Finesse, Just Blaze, RZA....
We was talking about the Bishop album not Detox on that one right there But I see The Chronic 2001 as somewhat a concept album,he tells a story about how he came up and all the trouble he has encountered troughout his long career.The way he tells the story may be a little "abstract" but you can follow it torugh the album.
Quote from: LakersAlldaWay on August 04, 2007, 12:10:11 AMIn light of the new XXL blog that has gotten all the angry hip-hop/Dre fans riled up, I made this post for some SERIOUS discussion on Dre's last album. Forget release dates and all the drama...what are you guys hoping Dre does to revitalize hip-hop like he promises to do? We all know that beats really set the tone in terms of structure and sometimes content of songs. I think Dre's gonna emphasize the "structure" aspect of the music, and shift the paradigm away from three verses and a hook. I was listening to Don't Get Carried Away and noticed how during Nas' verse the beat sounds different to accompany Nas' voice/flow. Like the strings get more dramatic in the background...it really differentiates Nas from Busta in the song.What I think Dre could be moving towards for the Detox is having certain "characteristics" of the music repeat when a certain rapper comes on. I know he's expressed how he wants his final album to transcend hip hop into a more cinematic approach (this is what prog and other types of rock have been experimenting with for a long time). Attaching a certain instrument or sound to a rapper makes them more of a character and familiarizes the listener with his/her "character" so to speak. Now some of you might be put off by this, but it could be subtle things like something in the drums that is added in or a certain instrument.Detox,Scratch Magazine
In light of the new XXL blog that has gotten all the angry hip-hop/Dre fans riled up, I made this post for some SERIOUS discussion on Dre's last album. Forget release dates and all the drama...what are you guys hoping Dre does to revitalize hip-hop like he promises to do? We all know that beats really set the tone in terms of structure and sometimes content of songs. I think Dre's gonna emphasize the "structure" aspect of the music, and shift the paradigm away from three verses and a hook. I was listening to Don't Get Carried Away and noticed how during Nas' verse the beat sounds different to accompany Nas' voice/flow. Like the strings get more dramatic in the background...it really differentiates Nas from Busta in the song.What I think Dre could be moving towards for the Detox is having certain "characteristics" of the music repeat when a certain rapper comes on. I know he's expressed how he wants his final album to transcend hip hop into a more cinematic approach (this is what prog and other types of rock have been experimenting with for a long time). Attaching a certain instrument or sound to a rapper makes them more of a character and familiarizes the listener with his/her "character" so to speak. Now some of you might be put off by this, but it could be subtle things like something in the drums that is added in or a certain instrument.
dre has set the standards so high people expect miracles and will never be happy
and yes dre's stuff if fairly simple, yet very complex. believe me if dre wanted to bring a 64 piece orchestra into the studio and put out an album it would be the most incredible shit you've ever heard. dre usually uses 2 or 3 instruments on individual tracks. add 60 or so other musicans and instruments and let dre direct and create parts for each instrument. he could make the most complex beat you've ever heard. but dre knows most fans don't want to hear that and although dre uses some orchestra instruments in his beats he probably won't go that far. they want to hear simplistic yet very original and complex top notch production.
For the last few years we have been building hundreds of instrumentals for Detox. They ranged from really sparse and simple beats to some of the craziest and most complex beats you have ever heard. We have all worked very hard together to create something truly original and groundbreaking. Picking which ones to actually use is easier said than done. We are striving for 100% live instrumental tracks built completely from scratch which takes a lot of work since we do some many of them before Dre wittles them down later on. Dre pushes us to dig deep and put our own ideas into the skeleton instrumentals we have made alongside him for Detox over the last couple of years. We are really pushing the envelope. In my opinion Dre has thrown out some incredible tracks that we and Dre have built together, but Dre is looking for something specific and if he doesn't hear it he will not use it. the dilema is how complex of tracks will the listening audience want to hear. Do they want orchestra like pieces or the tightly focused, yet simple beats you are used to from Dre. Ideally all of us and Dre want the most mindbending and complex original music experience ever heard on record. But will the audience be happy with that? The last thing we want to do is put out a "concept" album that loses people because it so different than what they are used to hearing. So thats been a big dilema. In the end i think you will hear elements of these complex beats but you won't hear the way they originally were created(those versions will go to the "Dr. Dre vault". At least that is the direction Dre has gone so far. I think the early tracks are as good as anything Dre has ever done - but it is still too early to tell how the final album will sound.
^^^^^Marsh mix-tape?I have missed out on that one,so I need to check that one out. PM!
The truth,as good example is when those new Star Wars movies.People was expecting miracles,I mean MIRACLES.... the hype was crazy much like with Detox.But what happent? People got dissapointed and was mad pissed,but how could you please 30 something fans (ehhh nerds ).Lucas made a movie for kids,not for old fucks (like me ).When I came out of the midnight screening I was shocked,it was the worst movie I had ever seen. I went to see it again in the morning,it grew on me for everytime I went to see it.Sure it´s still a average movie,not the masterpiece "we all" expected... but it´s not as bad as everybody makes it.There´s no way around this
Oh? That was Obie Trice right?Listening to the more advantgarde Dre tracks like RC´s Fame from The Aftermath Compilation,even some of the Busta tracks is a little out there like Legends of the fall offs.Both tracks is a stroke of genius,simply amazing. Will tracks like these throw the (mainstream) fans off,probably will..... but fuck it,this is what I want to hear. What many of Dre´s tracks have missed lately is the "cinamatic" sound,but with tracks like Don't get carried away,Legends of the fall offs and Murder these murdershe´s in the right direction.
And on another note did you notice Slim The Mobsters comment about working on a movie along with working on Detox?
I think Dre should do like Kanye and Jay did; organize bunch of listening sessions for the press, so that all the written previews start hitting the net. Look how well that worked for this new Jay's album.
what point?
Quote from: Dre-Day - Sniper of the Kill Jimmy Iovine Movement on January 30, 2008, 06:10:07 AMwhile it seems very unlikely that dre will make a Chronic 2000 something album (especially now that Bishop is involved),it still bugs me how far dre is willing to go.How about the involvement of Eminem last time around?The tracks he did with him before he dropped Chronic 2001 was far from "Gangster" or "Hip Hop" for that matter.Quote from: Dre-Day - Sniper of the Kill Jimmy Iovine Movement on January 30, 2008, 06:10:07 AMI mean, at one point he stopped working on detox; he picked it again up later,and said in interviews,that you've got to give the fans what they want.While i think he had a good impression of what the "people" wanted for Chronic 2001,what does he think that the people want for detox this time?That´s a hard question to answer,but as I said before I got the impression that the "people" want him to resurect Hip Hop....and on top of that he got all those Hip Hop cats in his ears these days.Bishop and Busta is far from Gangster,pluss the cats they bring along them like Q-Tip (Busta brought him along on The Big Bang).But remember Chronic 2001 wasn´t exactly gangster either it was a fine mix of Gangster,Hip Hop,Alternative and Pop.So he covered it all without losing anyone along the ride.
while it seems very unlikely that dre will make a Chronic 2000 something album (especially now that Bishop is involved),it still bugs me how far dre is willing to go.
I mean, at one point he stopped working on detox; he picked it again up later,and said in interviews,that you've got to give the fans what they want.While i think he had a good impression of what the "people" wanted for Chronic 2001,what does he think that the people want for detox this time?
Trough PM´s me and Dre-Day has been discussing that the "I Dominate" track might be the first single for Detox.Here´s why;-First what is Bishop Lamont dominating?-Bishop said there will be annoncement VERY SOON! in one of his last interviews. (Dre-Day find this )-The annocement might come on Dre´s birthday.....-+ Nima said Detox is coming very,very soon. Nima might have some "exclusive" info,yet to be leaked ?So let´s see how this plays out
Dubcnn: As far as “The Reformation” is concerned, you’re going to do a video for the first single soon. Do you want to tell us anything about that?We’re going to be going somewhere real exotic. Thanks Dre! We’re gonna be having a ball and doing something real stupid, doing something real fresh, real fun for the West Coast. [It’s] not the typical “I’m in the parking lot, I’m in front of a liquor store.” You know what I’m sayin’? That shit is pretty much played! “I’ve got a graffiti backdrop! I’m hood!” I’m 29 by the time you see this, so I ain’t no little kid. We’ve got to do things on a classier level, on a grown man level, and still be big kids and be foolish. So you’re going to enjoy it! I’m gonna leave it alone, but just to let you know, the song is called “I Dominate.” That’s what we’re going to do. We’re gonna dominate the charts, we’re gonna dominate hip-hop. You’ll see!
Dubcnn: So as we look to the future, one question remains. Can fans expect to hear Detox within the next twelve months?(Laughs) Ah, twelve months? I don't know. (Laughs) I – I think that's a long time! A year from now? I can't – I wouldn't see why it would be that long! (Laughs) I – I think there will be an announcement or something will be said soon.
I hated Onyx and their hit Slam.... their screaming was hella annoying. After Tanji brought the album up a year ago that the album was done inalter ego characthers like Dre had (has?) planned(s?) to. (see quote below)I was interested in checking this album out,boy was I in for a suprise..... The albums best cuts is hella dope,damn I hope Dre still will go trough with his original plans.I posted three tracks from the album so you can get an idea how the story is going and how Detox could play out.In case you have missed Dre original plan for Detox;QuoteMTVwww.mtv.com/news/articles/1453255/20020403/dr-dre.jhtmlDr.Dre;"I had to come up with something different but still keep it hardcore,so what I decided to do was make my album one story about one person and just do the record trough a characther's eyes,"Dre said,"And everybody that appears on my album is going to be a characther,so it's basically going to a hip hop musical"
MTVwww.mtv.com/news/articles/1453255/20020403/dr-dre.jhtmlDr.Dre;"I had to come up with something different but still keep it hardcore,so what I decided to do was make my album one story about one person and just do the record trough a characther's eyes,"Dre said,"And everybody that appears on my album is going to be a characther,so it's basically going to a hip hop musical"
Quote from: Dre-Day - Sniper of the Kill Jimmy Iovine Movement on February 28, 2008, 11:03:10 AMit wouldn't make sense if it wasn't; i mean how else would dre be able to put all those different artists on detox and not make it a compilation?all those people can be characters, and some will obviously get bigger roles than others.Yep just check how briliant you can do a posse cut with alot offeatures without making it sound like you just threw a bunch of cats on a track;Sticky Fingaz; Black trash; The Autobiography of Kirk Jones09 - State Vs Kirk Jones.mp3http://www.mediafire.com/?ignyczgdxaj^^^^All the cats featured plays a alter ego characther on the track... genius!!!! ^^^
it wouldn't make sense if it wasn't; i mean how else would dre be able to put all those different artists on detox and not make it a compilation?all those people can be characters, and some will obviously get bigger roles than others.