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Quote from: Now_I_Know on October 05, 2007, 10:31:01 AMQuote from: Tanjential on October 05, 2007, 10:23:32 AMthe way people on this forum (hip hop fans) reacted to it.it matched up with the way i've seen most hip hop fans/artists/afficionados etc. react to that word despite the context it's being used in.it's just as bad as that conservative mom turning off her kids 2pac talking about 'all he does is say fuck shit nigger and bitch' not even realizing the depth/positivity of the music/message.so often I see hip hop bitch about injustice and then turn around and do the same thing. just like hip hop cats will bitch about discrimination and then go on to mercilessly bash gay people. it's hypocritical and it's why shit like Oprah roasting rappers happens.-TSo what? Rock fans get offended if you say "Kurt Kobane sucks"...open your mind and stop making everything an "all my friends think rap is immature" thing. Many grown black people who hate hip-hop woulda' been offended by what Jake just said...PeACeI think those same grown black people would be even more offended by swangbang dropping out of school.and that's my whole thing, the fact that Jake's comment and not swangbang's decision is the issue of discussion/problem here. Priorities hella fucked up. Like buying some rims instead of some land.and yeah if you're okay with true heads being it and the positive aspects of hip hop being virtually a secret, then cool but if we can make true heads the predominate population of the culture, then fuck...imagine all the good it would do. on an artistic and educational level if nothing else.-T
Quote from: Tanjential on October 05, 2007, 10:23:32 AMthe way people on this forum (hip hop fans) reacted to it.it matched up with the way i've seen most hip hop fans/artists/afficionados etc. react to that word despite the context it's being used in.it's just as bad as that conservative mom turning off her kids 2pac talking about 'all he does is say fuck shit nigger and bitch' not even realizing the depth/positivity of the music/message.so often I see hip hop bitch about injustice and then turn around and do the same thing. just like hip hop cats will bitch about discrimination and then go on to mercilessly bash gay people. it's hypocritical and it's why shit like Oprah roasting rappers happens.-TSo what? Rock fans get offended if you say "Kurt Kobane sucks"...open your mind and stop making everything an "all my friends think rap is immature" thing. Many grown black people who hate hip-hop woulda' been offended by what Jake just said...PeACe
the way people on this forum (hip hop fans) reacted to it.it matched up with the way i've seen most hip hop fans/artists/afficionados etc. react to that word despite the context it's being used in.it's just as bad as that conservative mom turning off her kids 2pac talking about 'all he does is say fuck shit nigger and bitch' not even realizing the depth/positivity of the music/message.so often I see hip hop bitch about injustice and then turn around and do the same thing. just like hip hop cats will bitch about discrimination and then go on to mercilessly bash gay people. it's hypocritical and it's why shit like Oprah roasting rappers happens.-T
i'm not trying to roast swangbang causea)it's his decisionb)you can still definitely succeed without schoolingbut I'm just saying, that should be more of a concern than the words jake uses to make his point.especially on a board like this where people bash gays and jews endlessly. the nerve of those same fucks to be like 'fuck you for saying nigger!' is infuriatingly hypocritical.and yeah soul/jazz cats would be pissed at the nigger usage but I bet they would first focus on the decision of the young man that came to them talking about dropping out of college. priorities.-T
Quote from: boycriedwolf619 on October 05, 2007, 08:53:21 AMQuote from: Tanjential on October 05, 2007, 12:17:29 AMQuote from: boycriedwolf619 on October 04, 2007, 10:20:08 AMQuote from: Tanjential on October 04, 2007, 03:29:19 AMswangbang's about to make a dubious life decision and 'nigger' is the problem here?more examples of why hip hop and hip hop culture are not only dumb but looked at as dumb by other scenes-TOh please shut the fuck up with that. you're right.all hail hip hophip hop is always rightall other cultures and scenes are uncoolblack people are all deserving of our simultaneous fear respect awe pity and charitybe real, man-TLike what the fuck are you talking about? I really don't understand people thought process now of days. You make no fucking sense, like what made you type all that nonsense. Lay off the drugs man for real. People want to say stupid shit, and then when someones like "Oh what the fuck", people want to say Oh its nothing big deal or its for shock. You say stupid shit in the first place and everything can be avoided.Fuck this shit totally didn't post the big ass response I wrote...fuck this glitchy ass forum...sigh....here it goes again, *ahem*Swangbang announced that he was going to drop out of college.jacob said 'don't be a nigger' in response to this. He meant by that, don't be one of the negative statistics that conservatives/non hip hop people constantly throw at the hip hop culture/blacks. Don't be one of the people that brings your race/people down. Don't be the stereotype that blacks are so often accused of. Don't be part of the problem.Instead of looking at the meaning of what he was saying, people looked at the words he used. Which is ironic I think because hip hop afficionados often get frustrated with people that don't understand hip hop saying "oh all rappers do is cuss" and not looking at the things the rapper is actully saying.I was commenting on the fact that people were jumping all over Jake for the use of a word while swangbang may actually do something detrimental to himself or whatever group he may affiliate himself with.You, instead of presenting a contradictory idea, just said 'shut the fuck up'. I could only assume you mean don't diss hip hop since you gave me so little to go off. Nothing is sacred, no culture is perfect and the idea that hip hop is some sacred thing that i can't talk about is ridiculous.the word 'nigger' often blinds people because it's so controversial in american culture and makes them not think straight. people go off any use it by a non black person, but think before you react. think before you speak. what jake said was perfectly benign and harmless.Maybe i was wrong about what you mean boywolf, but given that you gave me so little that's the only conclusion i could come to. Make sense?Perhaps next time you'll discuss the issues you have with my statements instead of just spouting a rude one liner and expecting every one to be okay and in agreement with that.-T
Quote from: Tanjential on October 05, 2007, 12:17:29 AMQuote from: boycriedwolf619 on October 04, 2007, 10:20:08 AMQuote from: Tanjential on October 04, 2007, 03:29:19 AMswangbang's about to make a dubious life decision and 'nigger' is the problem here?more examples of why hip hop and hip hop culture are not only dumb but looked at as dumb by other scenes-TOh please shut the fuck up with that. you're right.all hail hip hophip hop is always rightall other cultures and scenes are uncoolblack people are all deserving of our simultaneous fear respect awe pity and charitybe real, man-TLike what the fuck are you talking about? I really don't understand people thought process now of days. You make no fucking sense, like what made you type all that nonsense. Lay off the drugs man for real. People want to say stupid shit, and then when someones like "Oh what the fuck", people want to say Oh its nothing big deal or its for shock. You say stupid shit in the first place and everything can be avoided.
Quote from: boycriedwolf619 on October 04, 2007, 10:20:08 AMQuote from: Tanjential on October 04, 2007, 03:29:19 AMswangbang's about to make a dubious life decision and 'nigger' is the problem here?more examples of why hip hop and hip hop culture are not only dumb but looked at as dumb by other scenes-TOh please shut the fuck up with that. you're right.all hail hip hophip hop is always rightall other cultures and scenes are uncoolblack people are all deserving of our simultaneous fear respect awe pity and charitybe real, man-T
Quote from: Tanjential on October 04, 2007, 03:29:19 AMswangbang's about to make a dubious life decision and 'nigger' is the problem here?more examples of why hip hop and hip hop culture are not only dumb but looked at as dumb by other scenes-TOh please shut the fuck up with that.
swangbang's about to make a dubious life decision and 'nigger' is the problem here?more examples of why hip hop and hip hop culture are not only dumb but looked at as dumb by other scenes-T
i thought we were all hip hop heads here.i love how everyone is old school, been listening to rap for year, live the hip hop culture, embrace the art etc etc but as soon as something negative comes about 'oh what? i have nothing to do with hip hop'but to be clearer, these opinions and reactions are coming from hip hop fans. it's the only commonality we can be sure of actually, well that and the fact that we're probably all dudes(but even that speaks to hip hop's demographic). anyway, it says something about the people of that culture if most of them react a certain way to certain things. and it matches up with hip hop associated people and artists i've observed outside of the internet.furthermore, I agree that I wouldn't have phrased what jacob said in that way...that's why it wasn't me saying it. i wouldn't say shit like that, but i don't think jake deserves all this hate for it and I think swangbang's decision should be a higher priority of discussion than bashing jake for some shit that most of you do to gays/jews on a regular basis anyway.-T
But when someone says nigger it is extremely offensive and especially coming from someone who does not know what we went through as blacks of having to hear that degrading us all those years.
sure nigger is a strong word and people shouldn't use it, but don't be such a pussy when you hear it"I'm offended" you sound like a bitch
when I stop hearing all the 'fag' 'kike' shit from rappers and hip hop heads alike, I'll be more sympathetic. until then it feels like many blacks/hip hop culturites feel like racism is okay as long as it's not directed at them-T