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Quote from: Tanjential on October 05, 2007, 01:22:53 PMwhen I stop hearing all the 'fag' 'kike' shit from rappers and hip hop heads alike, I'll be more sympathetic. until then it feels like many blacks/hip hop culturites feel like racism is okay as long as it's not directed at them-TMan now your just fucking retarded. How are you bringing in rappers/hiphop/ and all the extra bullshit you trying to tie in. You make no sense at all. WHERES THE RAPPER ON HERE WHO OFFERED HIS OPINION!?!!
when I stop hearing all the 'fag' 'kike' shit from rappers and hip hop heads alike, I'll be more sympathetic. until then it feels like many blacks/hip hop culturites feel like racism is okay as long as it's not directed at them-T
Quote from: boycriedwolf619 on October 05, 2007, 04:15:08 PMQuote from: Tanjential on October 05, 2007, 01:22:53 PMwhen I stop hearing all the 'fag' 'kike' shit from rappers and hip hop heads alike, I'll be more sympathetic. until then it feels like many blacks/hip hop culturites feel like racism is okay as long as it's not directed at them-TMan now your just fucking retarded. How are you bringing in rappers/hiphop/ and all the extra bullshit you trying to tie in. You make no sense at all. WHERES THE RAPPER ON HERE WHO OFFERED HIS OPINION!?!!ain't no one talking about hip hop in general, but what he is saying ismainstream hip hop has set black people back so much it ain't even funny. baby and cash money are bragging about how many cars they got and how much they spent on them.....and its' got the whole nation going out dropping money on big ass suv's and rims , which puts them in debt and depreciates their money AND their investment.............all this after black leaders like bishop TJ jakes had black people inveting in better things like reality and shit. anyone who knows anything knows that cars are the worst investment you can make unless you're a NASCAR driver. this is example one , one negative step BACKwant more?mainstream hip hop culutre has poor black kids buying the most expensive ass clothes in the whole mall, you're not cool or how the kids say it now , you don't have "swag" if you don't have all the right gear. seriously why are there t shirts in the mall for 35bucks? why do jordans cost 200 bucks? fashion is the worst thing you can spend your money on, and hip hop culture is telling kids......don't try to take care of yourself , just buy ICE and GRILLS and DIAMOND earings and you'll be okay in life. what happend to the old afrocentric message of keeping it smart and classy? that got flipped real quick didn't it.like i said present main stream hip hop is like 80's hair metal, it serves all the wrong purposes and sends all the wrong messages.
Quote from: Don Jacob on October 06, 2007, 12:33:13 AMQuote from: boycriedwolf619 on October 05, 2007, 04:15:08 PMQuote from: Tanjential on October 05, 2007, 01:22:53 PMwhen I stop hearing all the 'fag' 'kike' shit from rappers and hip hop heads alike, I'll be more sympathetic. until then it feels like many blacks/hip hop culturites feel like racism is okay as long as it's not directed at them-TMan now your just fucking retarded. How are you bringing in rappers/hiphop/ and all the extra bullshit you trying to tie in. You make no sense at all. WHERES THE RAPPER ON HERE WHO OFFERED HIS OPINION!?!!ain't no one talking about hip hop in general, but what he is saying ismainstream hip hop has set black people back so much it ain't even funny. baby and cash money are bragging about how many cars they got and how much they spent on them.....and its' got the whole nation going out dropping money on big ass suv's and rims , which puts them in debt and depreciates their money AND their investment.............all this after black leaders like bishop TJ jakes had black people inveting in better things like reality and shit. anyone who knows anything knows that cars are the worst investment you can make unless you're a NASCAR driver. this is example one , one negative step BACKwant more?mainstream hip hop culutre has poor black kids buying the most expensive ass clothes in the whole mall, you're not cool or how the kids say it now , you don't have "swag" if you don't have all the right gear. seriously why are there t shirts in the mall for 35bucks? why do jordans cost 200 bucks? fashion is the worst thing you can spend your money on, and hip hop culture is telling kids......don't try to take care of yourself , just buy ICE and GRILLS and DIAMOND earings and you'll be okay in life. what happend to the old afrocentric message of keeping it smart and classy? that got flipped real quick didn't it.like i said present main stream hip hop is like 80's hair metal, it serves all the wrong purposes and sends all the wrong messages. All the stuff that your saying is nothing new to me. i already know how fucked up the priorities of young blacks in America are. What I'm saying is, if you want to get a message across like don't be lazy etc. saying don't be a nigger isn't the best way. It just show how ignorant the person saying it is and that sucks because, from hearing what you got to say, you seem like a smart guy. But I don't care that tanj guy is retarded he makes no sense. My whole thing is what makes someone think that, like whats the thought process because from what the thread starter posted, that was far from what I was thinking. Like to call someone a nigger because their are lazy is stupid. That is a trait that some people possess, I know plenty of people who are lazy every now and then does that make them a nigger- NO. They can only be seen as niggers only if they have the same mentality of the people that started using that word to demoralize blacks back in the day.
Quote from: boycriedwolf619 on October 06, 2007, 08:28:46 AMQuote from: Don Jacob on October 06, 2007, 12:33:13 AMQuote from: boycriedwolf619 on October 05, 2007, 04:15:08 PMQuote from: Tanjential on October 05, 2007, 01:22:53 PMwhen I stop hearing all the 'fag' 'kike' shit from rappers and hip hop heads alike, I'll be more sympathetic. until then it feels like many blacks/hip hop culturites feel like racism is okay as long as it's not directed at them-TMan now your just fucking retarded. How are you bringing in rappers/hiphop/ and all the extra bullshit you trying to tie in. You make no sense at all. WHERES THE RAPPER ON HERE WHO OFFERED HIS OPINION!?!!ain't no one talking about hip hop in general, but what he is saying ismainstream hip hop has set black people back so much it ain't even funny. baby and cash money are bragging about how many cars they got and how much they spent on them.....and its' got the whole nation going out dropping money on big ass suv's and rims , which puts them in debt and depreciates their money AND their investment.............all this after black leaders like bishop TJ jakes had black people inveting in better things like reality and shit. anyone who knows anything knows that cars are the worst investment you can make unless you're a NASCAR driver. this is example one , one negative step BACKwant more?mainstream hip hop culutre has poor black kids buying the most expensive ass clothes in the whole mall, you're not cool or how the kids say it now , you don't have "swag" if you don't have all the right gear. seriously why are there t shirts in the mall for 35bucks? why do jordans cost 200 bucks? fashion is the worst thing you can spend your money on, and hip hop culture is telling kids......don't try to take care of yourself , just buy ICE and GRILLS and DIAMOND earings and you'll be okay in life. what happend to the old afrocentric message of keeping it smart and classy? that got flipped real quick didn't it.like i said present main stream hip hop is like 80's hair metal, it serves all the wrong purposes and sends all the wrong messages. All the stuff that your saying is nothing new to me. i already know how fucked up the priorities of young blacks in America are. What I'm saying is, if you want to get a message across like don't be lazy etc. saying don't be a nigger isn't the best way. It just show how ignorant the person saying it is and that sucks because, from hearing what you got to say, you seem like a smart guy. But I don't care that tanj guy is retarded he makes no sense. My whole thing is what makes someone think that, like whats the thought process because from what the thread starter posted, that was far from what I was thinking. Like to call someone a nigger because their are lazy is stupid. That is a trait that some people possess, I know plenty of people who are lazy every now and then does that make them a nigger- NO. They can only be seen as niggers only if they have the same mentality of the people that started using that word to demoralize blacks back in the day. dude it's simplerappers often bash gays. from gangsta rappers like WC to smarter ones like Felt and Murs. and to me it's a huge statement of hypocrisy to do that because these same cats bitch about racism/discrimination against blacks and shitsecondly, rap fans bash gays and jews often. All rap fans? No, but not all rappers bash gays either. It's a generality but stereotypes become stereotypes for a reason. anyway, rap fans bash gays and jews alot of the time. this board is a good example but i see it in life as well, and i hang with other groups of other scenes and go to other scene forums and it's way different. I'm just speaking based on my observations of rappers, rap fans especially in comparison with other scenes and their followers.just saying, i can't take anyone from hip hop culture seriously when they bitch about discrimination unless I KNOW they ain't bashing gays and jews-T
Quote from: Tanjential on October 06, 2007, 05:28:36 PMQuote from: boycriedwolf619 on October 06, 2007, 08:28:46 AMQuote from: Don Jacob on October 06, 2007, 12:33:13 AMQuote from: boycriedwolf619 on October 05, 2007, 04:15:08 PMQuote from: Tanjential on October 05, 2007, 01:22:53 PMwhen I stop hearing all the 'fag' 'kike' shit from rappers and hip hop heads alike, I'll be more sympathetic. until then it feels like many blacks/hip hop culturites feel like racism is okay as long as it's not directed at them-TMan now your just fucking retarded. How are you bringing in rappers/hiphop/ and all the extra bullshit you trying to tie in. You make no sense at all. WHERES THE RAPPER ON HERE WHO OFFERED HIS OPINION!?!!ain't no one talking about hip hop in general, but what he is saying ismainstream hip hop has set black people back so much it ain't even funny. baby and cash money are bragging about how many cars they got and how much they spent on them.....and its' got the whole nation going out dropping money on big ass suv's and rims , which puts them in debt and depreciates their money AND their investment.............all this after black leaders like bishop TJ jakes had black people inveting in better things like reality and shit. anyone who knows anything knows that cars are the worst investment you can make unless you're a NASCAR driver. this is example one , one negative step BACKwant more?mainstream hip hop culutre has poor black kids buying the most expensive ass clothes in the whole mall, you're not cool or how the kids say it now , you don't have "swag" if you don't have all the right gear. seriously why are there t shirts in the mall for 35bucks? why do jordans cost 200 bucks? fashion is the worst thing you can spend your money on, and hip hop culture is telling kids......don't try to take care of yourself , just buy ICE and GRILLS and DIAMOND earings and you'll be okay in life. what happend to the old afrocentric message of keeping it smart and classy? that got flipped real quick didn't it.like i said present main stream hip hop is like 80's hair metal, it serves all the wrong purposes and sends all the wrong messages. All the stuff that your saying is nothing new to me. i already know how fucked up the priorities of young blacks in America are. What I'm saying is, if you want to get a message across like don't be lazy etc. saying don't be a nigger isn't the best way. It just show how ignorant the person saying it is and that sucks because, from hearing what you got to say, you seem like a smart guy. But I don't care that tanj guy is retarded he makes no sense. My whole thing is what makes someone think that, like whats the thought process because from what the thread starter posted, that was far from what I was thinking. Like to call someone a nigger because their are lazy is stupid. That is a trait that some people possess, I know plenty of people who are lazy every now and then does that make them a nigger- NO. They can only be seen as niggers only if they have the same mentality of the people that started using that word to demoralize blacks back in the day. dude it's simplerappers often bash gays. from gangsta rappers like WC to smarter ones like Felt and Murs. and to me it's a huge statement of hypocrisy to do that because these same cats bitch about racism/discrimination against blacks and shitsecondly, rap fans bash gays and jews often. All rap fans? No, but not all rappers bash gays either. It's a generality but stereotypes become stereotypes for a reason. anyway, rap fans bash gays and jews alot of the time. this board is a good example but i see it in life as well, and i hang with other groups of other scenes and go to other scene forums and it's way different. I'm just speaking based on my observations of rappers, rap fans especially in comparison with other scenes and their followers.just saying, i can't take anyone from hip hop culture seriously when they bitch about discrimination unless I KNOW they ain't bashing gays and jews-TAnd like i said from the very beginning you totally digressed to a whole different part of an area. You sitting up here trying to be all smart and intellectual actually thinking your making a point-which you are not doing. I don't know if its just me or something. Or maybe your just justifying the use of word because you use it throughout your day. Yea I know its simple but your trying to make it all complicated like " oh hip hop says this and that". So if you have a problem with rappers certain choice of words go fuckin complain to a rapper. Because I don't recall any rapper input in this thread. Also, I really couldn't care if he used the word because I know thats how the majority of people think of us. (NO secret in that) It was just totally random and far away from any possible smart reply to the subject.- "Don't be a nigger" wow thats really a good way to respond to someone who's making a life changing decision.
What I'm saying is, if you want to get a message across like don't be lazy etc. saying don't be a nigger isn't the best way.
It just show how ignorant the person saying it is and that sucks because, from hearing what you got to say, you seem like a smart guy.
But I don't care that tanj guy is retarded he makes no sense. My whole thing is what makes someone think that, like whats the thought process because from what the thread starter posted, that was far from what I was thinking.
Like to call someone a nigger because their are lazy is stupid. That is a trait that some people possess, I know plenty of people who are lazy every now and then does that make them a nigger- NO. They can only be seen as niggers only if they have the same mentality of the people that started using that word to demoralize blacks back in the day.
Quote from: boycriedwolf619 on October 06, 2007, 07:12:30 PMQuote from: Tanjential on October 06, 2007, 05:28:36 PMQuote from: boycriedwolf619 on October 06, 2007, 08:28:46 AMQuote from: Don Jacob on October 06, 2007, 12:33:13 AMQuote from: boycriedwolf619 on October 05, 2007, 04:15:08 PMQuote from: Tanjential on October 05, 2007, 01:22:53 PMwhen I stop hearing all the 'fag' 'kike' shit from rappers and hip hop heads alike, I'll be more sympathetic. until then it feels like many blacks/hip hop culturites feel like racism is okay as long as it's not directed at them-TMan now your just fucking retarded. How are you bringing in rappers/hiphop/ and all the extra bullshit you trying to tie in. You make no sense at all. WHERES THE RAPPER ON HERE WHO OFFERED HIS OPINION!?!!ain't no one talking about hip hop in general, but what he is saying ismainstream hip hop has set black people back so much it ain't even funny. baby and cash money are bragging about how many cars they got and how much they spent on them.....and its' got the whole nation going out dropping money on big ass suv's and rims , which puts them in debt and depreciates their money AND their investment.............all this after black leaders like bishop TJ jakes had black people inveting in better things like reality and shit. anyone who knows anything knows that cars are the worst investment you can make unless you're a NASCAR driver. this is example one , one negative step BACKwant more?mainstream hip hop culutre has poor black kids buying the most expensive ass clothes in the whole mall, you're not cool or how the kids say it now , you don't have "swag" if you don't have all the right gear. seriously why are there t shirts in the mall for 35bucks? why do jordans cost 200 bucks? fashion is the worst thing you can spend your money on, and hip hop culture is telling kids......don't try to take care of yourself , just buy ICE and GRILLS and DIAMOND earings and you'll be okay in life. what happend to the old afrocentric message of keeping it smart and classy? that got flipped real quick didn't it.like i said present main stream hip hop is like 80's hair metal, it serves all the wrong purposes and sends all the wrong messages. All the stuff that your saying is nothing new to me. i already know how fucked up the priorities of young blacks in America are. What I'm saying is, if you want to get a message across like don't be lazy etc. saying don't be a nigger isn't the best way. It just show how ignorant the person saying it is and that sucks because, from hearing what you got to say, you seem like a smart guy. But I don't care that tanj guy is retarded he makes no sense. My whole thing is what makes someone think that, like whats the thought process because from what the thread starter posted, that was far from what I was thinking. Like to call someone a nigger because their are lazy is stupid. That is a trait that some people possess, I know plenty of people who are lazy every now and then does that make them a nigger- NO. They can only be seen as niggers only if they have the same mentality of the people that started using that word to demoralize blacks back in the day. dude it's simplerappers often bash gays. from gangsta rappers like WC to smarter ones like Felt and Murs. and to me it's a huge statement of hypocrisy to do that because these same cats bitch about racism/discrimination against blacks and shitsecondly, rap fans bash gays and jews often. All rap fans? No, but not all rappers bash gays either. It's a generality but stereotypes become stereotypes for a reason. anyway, rap fans bash gays and jews alot of the time. this board is a good example but i see it in life as well, and i hang with other groups of other scenes and go to other scene forums and it's way different. I'm just speaking based on my observations of rappers, rap fans especially in comparison with other scenes and their followers.just saying, i can't take anyone from hip hop culture seriously when they bitch about discrimination unless I KNOW they ain't bashing gays and jews-TAnd like i said from the very beginning you totally digressed to a whole different part of an area. You sitting up here trying to be all smart and intellectual actually thinking your making a point-which you are not doing. I don't know if its just me or something. Or maybe your just justifying the use of word because you use it throughout your day. Yea I know its simple but your trying to make it all complicated like " oh hip hop says this and that". So if you have a problem with rappers certain choice of words go fuckin complain to a rapper. Because I don't recall any rapper input in this thread. Also, I really couldn't care if he used the word because I know thats how the majority of people think of us. (NO secret in that) It was just totally random and far away from any possible smart reply to the subject.- "Don't be a nigger" wow thats really a good way to respond to someone who's making a life changing decision.Not liking when Jake gets tons of unwarranted heat is trying to be all smart and intellectual and shit? Okay buddy. Sitting up where? What the hel are you imagining?Justifying my use of the word? I don't say discriminatory shit about sects of people period. In fact, if you'd read anything I'd written in this thread you'd see that that shit is part of the shit I'm attacking is discriminatory things said about sects of people.and just cause we're in the g spot doesn't change the fact the fact that the vast majority of people talking on here are hip hop fans. It's a factor in the conversation and you're lying to yourself if you think otherwise.-T
QuoteWhat I'm saying is, if you want to get a message across like don't be lazy etc. saying don't be a nigger isn't the best way. i disagree. i strongly disagree. how else are you going to grab someone's attention. "ummm hey there mr. african american , you know you really shouldn't be copying this rapper, because statistics...blah blah blah"no way.....i'm going to be like "HEY! will you quit acting like nigger for two seconds and act the way you really are please!"it's like my homie, he's cuban and for whatever reason he hates puerto ricans/or being called that.....but he always acts a fool in public, so to grab his attention i tell him he's acting like a puerto rican. now whatever negative message that sends to him in his brain, it straightens him out. it's my own personal shock and awe. QuoteIt just show how ignorant the person saying it is and that sucks because, from hearing what you got to say, you seem like a smart guy. being ignorant means i don't know what i'm speaking on. a nigger is a negative stereotype of black people, which has evolved over the years. it's also derived from other words such as niggle and niggard, ect. which ecompasses ALOT. that's probably why it's such a powerful word is because it's not just some random slur like "wet back" it's a real word. to use the word in a racist way would be "i fucking hate the utah jazz, there's not enough niggers on that team " <--------- that's racist, it's generalizes and encompassing a whole racesaying "don't be a nigger" isn't, it's saying ...in a nutshell don't be a stereotype. but it's like saying the word FUCK in church, it's unhollowed to say. but there is IMO a time and place for it, ala right now. it's like eminem when he broke down "fag" on mtv a while agoQuote But I don't care that tanj guy is retarded he makes no sense. My whole thing is what makes someone think that, like whats the thought process because from what the thread starter posted, that was far from what I was thinking. tanj is a very smart and mature dude for his age, and i think he's displays that more consistantly than msot people on this board. QuoteLike to call someone a nigger because their are lazy is stupid. That is a trait that some people possess, I know plenty of people who are lazy every now and then does that make them a nigger- NO. They can only be seen as niggers only if they have the same mentality of the people that started using that word to demoralize blacks back in the day. isn't that what fits in te stereotype of a 'nigger' though is laziness. it's just a word, and words can hurt but it's all about context. remember a word only has as much power as you give it. i'd never say to some black person sitting down on my newspaper at work.........get off my newspaper nigger, that's wrong .
Where are all you guys when Tanj is calling out people for saying "fag"? Do you fight that fight as well, or only care when it's "nigger"?People need to understand you can't have it both ways. It's either everybody get's called names or nobody does. You can't be offended by "nigger" if you simultaneously call someone a "fag" or "bitch" or whatever. It's hypocritical to the max.
dude dont' be a nigger.