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Westcoastin':
any of yall any good with international law?  I need to figure out if Somaliland should be considered an actual state

On May 18, 1991, the people of Somaliland declared independence from Somalia. However, it has not been recognized by any other country or international organization. It is completely within the borders of Somalia... but has its own government and constitution.

Im leaning towards no.. but dont particularily have a good reason

any thoughts are appreciated and will be propped

Good Morning:
no. in spirit maybe but democracy and structure pretty much cover the globes population and you cant operate your own society without having to adhere to its concepts.

boycriedwolf619:

--- Quote from: Good Morning on November 27, 2007, 11:47:37 PM ---no. in spirit maybe but democracy and structure pretty much cover the globes population and you cant operate your own society without having to adhere to its concepts.

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yea pretty much

King Tech Quadafi:

--- Quote from: Westcoastin' on November 27, 2007, 11:44:47 PM ---any of yall any good with international law?  I need to figure out if Somaliland should be considered an actual state

On May 18, 1991, the people of Somaliland declared independence from Somalia. However, it has not been recognized by any other country or international organization. It is completely within the borders of Somalia... but has its own government and constitution.

Im leaning towards no.. but dont particularily have a good reason

any thoughts are appreciated and will be propped

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This is an interesting subject and rather tricky.

Technically, unless there is widespread recognition (international bodies, major western countries), a country would not be technically considered a state. However, that does not change the facts on the ground. And in politics, the facts on the ground determine all.

For example, in the mid to late 90s the Taliban controlled the capital and the majority of Afghanistan. However they were only recognized by three countries. So internationally, their regime was not recognized as the legitimate ruling body. The opposition Northern Alliance was. So it was the NA that chaired Afghanistans seat at the UN, etc.

However, when it come to dealing with Afghanistan, no one went through the NA because while recognized, they were not a factor on the ground. Aid agencies, the US, EU all dealt with the Taliban when it came to human rights, poppy growth, aid etc etc

Thats a case of recognition of government.

The same principle applies to de facto states like Somaliland, or the way Chechnya used to be (before Russian forcibly re-incorporated it) and how Kosovo very well will be like in the future. Whiile not recognized, they have all the trappings of a state. They are, de facto and essentially, a state. Not recognized, but in a way every country recognizes they are independent. If they have to deal with them, they will go them to talk, regardless of recognition or not

As for Somaliland, they are a state, recognition or not. In fact, its a crime that the international world has turned its back on Somaliland. While the  rest of Somalia descends into anarchy and chaos, Somaliland has created a viable democratic system and disarmened its population, while boosting its economy without any international assistance.

I TO DA GEEZY:
Look at the Palestinians. Most of the world (minus like 5-6 states) recognizes their national rights in the territories conquered by Israel in 1967 and yet such a state doesn't exist cause the world's leading superpower and its proxy are opposed.

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