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Sex and Islamic Suicide Terrorism
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: THE OVERFIEND on December 05, 2007, 10:12:17 PM ---^
Word. I understand what you saying about 'perspective', we on the same cloud on that one my man believe me, but tell me:
Whats stopping all Islamic societies from adopting the same repressive standards like Saudi Arabia and Iran? What makes the difference between them countries and the more moderate ones like you mentioned like West Africa and Turkey?
Before you reply, heres what I think, I think the difference is reflected in your post:
--- Quote from: Abdul-Infinite Presents...Islam In Africa... on December 05, 2007, 09:16:01 PM ---
So Islam itself does not encourage a Muslim to be celibate like Catholocism does, but rather Islam understands the true nature of people is to engage intimately and only encourages that it is done under a true, stated and understood agreement of terms.
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Let me expalin, the fact is: Islam means different things to different people. People (muslim or otherwise) could easily argue that Islam's attitude on sex goes furthur than what you say. But what is important is what YOU, believe Islam to be. What is important is that you been blessed with the opportunity to discover what Islam means to you, for alot of other people this opportunity is hard to ever attain...
I mean, violence breeds violence, but that aside, what about the London bombers or the Columbine kids? dudes who grown up in a Liberal society, tolerant country with bountiful opportunities for wealth and a good life, why did they decide to blown themselves up? Because they closed their minds off. You on the other-hand seek understanding, why else would you fucking bother going over to explore the World, why not just sit in your room your whole life reading the Koran? The difference between madness and sanity is but a few neurons in our brains.
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You are a smart man and I appreciate the compliments you gave me, I think if we sat down and talked about things we could speak on the same level and understand each other.
You asked me the difference between sexually repressive Muslim societies like Saudi and Iran versus open societies like Turkey and West Africa. Well... first of all.... I wouldn't put Iran in the same category as Saudi Arabia. Because actually in Iran they have temporary marriages where you can agree to hook up with a girl for a day, a week, years, whatever you decide. So its actually made very easy there to express oneself sexually in a way that's of mutual understanding between the man and woman.
So anyway, aside from that, the difference between Saudi versus Turkey and West Africa I think is historical and cultural. Turkey has always been more loose, even back when they were beggining their leadership of the whole Muslim World by way of the Ottoman Empire that took leadership in the 14th century, at that time the people in Turkey smoked ganga and their women weren't covering their hair in scarves. So their culture remained open and relaxed with or without Islam.
But I want to be clear, I am talking about sexual relations not about war, bombs, and violence. You kind of added some comments about the London bombings and Columbine and those are seperate issues, I was only discussing sexuality and its relation to Islam and Muslim societies in my post above.
AndrE16686:
Word.
Thanks mate.
People are generally more down to Earth in real-life, it is afterall the internet.
--- Quote from: Abdul-Infinite Presents...Islam In Africa... on December 05, 2007, 11:45:05 PM ---But I want to be clear, I am talking about sexual relations not about war, bombs, and violence. You kind of added some comments about the London bombings and Columbine and those are seperate issues, I was only discussing sexuality and its relation to Islam and Muslim societies in my post above.
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LOL, you will find that with my posts, I roam. I believe language is simply a tool to convey what the mind feels. Sometimes explaining things with rational language in a methodic manner fails to get across the feelings one mind intends to communicate to another.
--- Quote from: Abdul-Infinite Presents...Islam In Africa... on December 05, 2007, 11:45:05 PM ---So anyway, aside from that, the difference between Saudi versus Turkey and West Africa I think is historical and cultural. Turkey has always been more loose... So their culture remained open and relaxed with or without Islam.
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Word. So you see Islam isn't a universal standard? And it is also self-contradictory when you look at it's application around the World right? Therefore its an illusion like Communism, Christianity, McDonalds and everything else that seeks to portray us the World. The real Islam to you is in your own understanding and the will to understand, rather than just to know.
Thats why I suppose Muslims forbid the depiction of God or why Jews keep the name of God secret, because if you don't do that you are giving somebody something to know and you cannot know, only seek to understand.
God has no religion.....Mahatma Gandhi.
All conditioned things are impermanent. Work out your own salvation with diligence....The Buddha's last words.
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: THE OVERFIEND on December 06, 2007, 02:26:56 AM ---Word.
Thanks mate.
People are generally more down to Earth in real-life, it is afterall the internet.
--- Quote from: Abdul-Infinite Presents...Islam In Africa... on December 05, 2007, 11:45:05 PM ---But I want to be clear, I am talking about sexual relations not about war, bombs, and violence. You kind of added some comments about the London bombings and Columbine and those are seperate issues, I was only discussing sexuality and its relation to Islam and Muslim societies in my post above.
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LOL, you will find that with my posts, I roam. I believe language is simply a tool to convey what the mind feels. Sometimes explaining things with rational language in a methodic manner fails to get across the feelings one mind intends to communicate to another.
--- Quote from: Abdul-Infinite Presents...Islam In Africa... on December 05, 2007, 11:45:05 PM ---So anyway, aside from that, the difference between Saudi versus Turkey and West Africa I think is historical and cultural. Turkey has always been more loose... So their culture remained open and relaxed with or without Islam.
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Word. So you see Islam isn't a universal standard? And it is also self-contradictory when you look at it's application around the World right? Therefore its an illusion like Communism, Christianity, McDonalds and everything else that seeks to portray us the World. The real Islam to you is in your own understanding and the will to understand, rather than just to know.
Thats why I suppose Muslims forbid the depiction of God or why Jews keep the name of God secret, because if you don't do that you are giving somebody something to know and you cannot know, only seek to understand.
God has no religion.....Mahatma Gandhi.
All conditioned things are impermanent. Work out your own salvation with diligence....The Buddha's last words.
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Those were powerful words bro, I give you respect.
And because you were jumping subjects that's why I mentioned that in person we could reach an understanding on a wide range of subjects but on a message forum I can only focus on one thing at a time. But still, feel free to make your movements in your conversation as you feel, that's how you express yourself so feel free.
Those were some deep words you were laying down about Islam not being a universal standard and the real Islam being my will to understand rather than just to know.
Let me ask you some questions because that was an interesting perspective you had and I want to hear more....
So your saying that you feel Islam itself is an allusion or are you saying that the idea that there is a universal standard or application for Islam is an allusion?
Also, what about the time when the Prophet Muhammad was alive 1400 years ago and he was available to lay down a Universal standard for Islam that was understood and accepted.... how would you regard Islam at that time, would you agree it was a Universal standard at that time?
Or how would you regard those Muslims with ambitious claims that they are still today following the Prophet Muhammad's Islam and therefore they have held onto the Universal Standard he legislated?
So are you saying that that is a good thing that Islam forbids a depiction of God, because it forces people to seek some internal understanding?
And if Islam's universal application is a total allusion then how would you describe the very real joy a Muslim might feel in travelling for Hajj or travelling across the world and feeling brotherhood right away with a person they've never met because that person prays like he prays, and believes what he believes?
Lastly, Islam is a religion of no person, place, thing or time, but rather submission to the Creator... so do you feel like that has a similar theme to your Ghandi quote above?
...hope you have time to answer... peace
King Tech Quadafi:
--- Quote from: THE OVERFIEND on December 05, 2007, 08:12:19 PM ---
Right on. I laugh at muthafuckers like the Pope telling people not to have sex, the Popes a faggot and Islam is primitive, fuck what yall say. I like Islam, I like alot of things about it, Im generally down with Muslims. RECOGNISE, but it also is a huge load of steaming primitive shit and stupid people following it makes it no better. Seriously, how could the Neocons resist blaming a stunt like 9/11 on these idiots? Same way they did crack to the blacks.
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co sign
you still consider your self muslim bachem? or are you totally renouncing the faith?
me, i still consider myself a muslim, i believe and i respect the faith,. but theres too much shit that i cant co sign.....
AndrE16686:
--- Quote from: King Tech Quadafi on December 06, 2007, 07:19:11 AM ---
--- Quote from: THE OVERFIEND on December 05, 2007, 08:12:19 PM ---
Right on. I laugh at muthafuckers like the Pope telling people not to have sex, the Popes a faggot and Islam is primitive, fuck what yall say. I like Islam, I like alot of things about it, Im generally down with Muslims. RECOGNISE, but it also is a huge load of steaming primitive shit and stupid people following it makes it no better. Seriously, how could the Neocons resist blaming a stunt like 9/11 on these idiots? Same way they did crack to the blacks.
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co sign
you still consider your self muslim bachem? or are you totally renouncing the faith?
me, i still consider myself a muslim, i believe and i respect the faith,. but theres too much shit that i cant co sign.....
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Im not Muslim, although I keep telling my neighbour about how im converting to Islam, dude is an IDF vet, I keeps his blood pressure high...
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