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white Boy:
^ if thats towards me, i just wikipedied the guy, and thought that was interesting, i like his universe of imagination shit, trippy stuff

LooN3y:

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--- Quote from: Foday-muh'fuckin-Sankoh, bitch! on December 06, 2007, 10:58:34 AM ---Allah says no.

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But all black men are God and Cam Ron is a black man. You hypocrite.


--- Quote from: Westcoastin' on December 06, 2007, 07:54:26 PM ---theres no such thing as blasphemy,  thats just an old censor on free speech and free thought.....  fuck religion, spirituality is whats important

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Sure Blasphemy is real. What God is exactly is unknown but God is good, meaning what is good is God. The spiritual energy that creates love is what God is. So going against what is right when you know it to be right and choosing to go against it regardless is what blasphemy is. Simply saying something stupid like "Fuck God", or walking around the mall with a T shirt with giant letters printed on that say "Jesus is a Cunt" (I saw it once in tha mall last summer) is not blasphemy, it's just idiocy; dumb kids trying to get attention. Even being upest with God for the rain that destroyed all your crops and coming out while it's raining with a shot gun and shooting the skies in an attempt to wound God or threaten him to keep him from letting more rain fall (I had a great uncle in Greece that did that once) is not blasphemy. It's simply being fucking pissed off, and a little nuts from what I understand. These may be all sins but they are not blasphemy. Blasphemy is watching an old woman fall right in front of you with no one else and around and watching her struggle to get up and you know you should help but you just stand there and watch because you don't want to help because you want to see her struggle and get hurt. That is going against everything that is right. Everything that is God. That is blasphemy.

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say in a  life threating situation dont most people that r athiest say help me god anyways?

QuietTruth:
^ LOL, and I bet 'God Bless You' when they sneeze.

Elevz:

--- Quote from: Shallow on December 10, 2007, 06:32:09 PM ---Eleven 2 Three;

I've read through your responses to me and to others and it seems you fail to acknowledge your science is largely based on faith. I admit my faith. I believe letting an old woman struggle and not helping her when she needs it is evil and goes against what is God. I believe that Good To be God. It's a feeling. A system of beliefs. I can't prove it and I don't intend to try because it cannot be done. I believe the good inside everyone is there because of God. I believe that everyone anyone that does not feel the need to help that woman is struggling with evil and needs to get rid of that evil. How exactly one would do that I don't know. How exactly that evil got their I don't know. I just won't allow myself to believe that someone can be born with a set of values that mean allowing a helpless woman to suffer causes pleasure. These are my beliefs about life. Because that is how I feel inside.

You attempt to use psychology as an explanation for certain feelings. Where is there any proof in that science? Science is in large part religion. People see patterns and deduce from those patterns "laws" but any scientific law is only a theory. Newton's laws of physics make sense to us now and they may make sense to us forever. You want to shoot a falling monkey that is on the same plane as you are and you have to aim straight and the bullet will fall with the monkey and strike it. You take air out of the equation any two objects of any mass fall at the same rate. We call it gravity. A magnetic pull that causes the objects, the bullet, the monkey to fall. But a scientific law is definite. And we can't be definite. We cannot predict the future. We do not know that every object from this point on will always fall at the same rate. It sounds stupid I know. I get it a lot. David Humew explained it much better than I and he changed the language of science.
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People aren't born with any set of values. Humans are tabula rasa at the moment of fertilisation (for as far as we know - the truth may be slightly off but not far). Everything after that is part of the development of the person, in the same way a person continues to develop until they die. It's an endless circle of maintaining and creating or healing the body, and likewise developing the brains. That's also when the whole concept of good and bad commences: human beings learn what is good for them and what not, through observation, perception and interpretation. You experience pain and draw the conclusion that the experience was not enjoyable. You look for what caused the pain, and decided that cause is to be avoided. Thus begins the whole learning process of the creation of values.

Human observation (not to even mention perception and interpretation) is far from flawless. I'm well aware of the concepts of epistemology and ontology; make no mistake about me knowing that science isn't definite. It is however the closest approach available to understanding reality. The generally accepted findings of science have proved themselves to be the most accurate approach of reality. The very same thing goes for psychology, which as you put is even more based on assumptions than most other sciences. Falsifiable theories and hypotheses about what might be possible are tested. The ones that aren't rejected remain standing and form the basis of more theories. Just because psychology is a stunningly complex field of science, doesn't mean that everything in it is disposable. Remember that psychology (and its predecessors) have placed the fundaments of everything that mankind is today. If it weren't for psychology, your parents wouldn't have known how to raise you. Behavior and development would have been mysteries. Civilization would have been none. So is it irrational to believe in the approaches of psychology? I think it's the most rational option available. Just because science isn't absolute doesn't mean that it's disposable.


--- Quote from: Shallow on December 10, 2007, 06:32:09 PM ---Gravity is a phenomenon that we can have named and observed but you can't see it or test it. We just know that when you let go of something it falls. It's pulled. Do you know for sure that it isn't pushed? Do you know for sure that it isn't an energetic order that decides that this object at this time will fall, but at any other time it could be ordered to not fall. There is no evidence that that will happen, YET. And they yet is the point. We cannot assume that it is impossible for that to ever happen.

Let's say it did happen. All of a sudden certain objects with nothing in particular in common started floating while others did not. Scientists would come up with various theories to explain it even though they wouldn't have any clue because Newton's Laws would cease to exist but they'd make something up and a consensus would occur and majority rule would give us a new theory. Al Gore would blame it Global Warming. But is that really that much more concrete than some yokel claiming it's God's way of punishing us or whatever he'd say? Is it really? Have you seen gravity? Have you touched it? Opened it up inside and tried to figure out how it works?
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What's the difference between pushing and pulling? The origins of the energy don't change the effects of the phenomenon. That's what science has proved: the closer you get to the center of the earth (or any grativational object for that matter), the stronger the energy becomes. It has proved to be constant thus far, which doesn't say anything about a possible change in the future, but judging from the way things have developed up until now, there's no change in sight.

Scientifical theories provide you with the insight to provide a prediction of the future. That doesn't mean those predictions will necessarily have to come true. Science is only an approach of reality; it is flawed after all.


--- Quote from: Shallow on December 10, 2007, 06:32:09 PM ---Let's say it did happen. All of a sudden certain objects with nothing in particular in common started floating while others did not. Scientists would come up with various theories to explain it even though they wouldn't have any clue because Newton's Laws would cease to exist but they'd make something up and a consensus would occur and majority rule would give us a new theory. Al Gore would blame it Global Warming. But is that really that much more concrete than some yokel claiming it's God's way of punishing us or whatever he'd say? Is it really? Have you seen gravity? Have you touched it? Opened it up inside and tried to figure out how it works?


It's merely a phenomenon that we cannot see so we figure out ways to explain it. We agree on what is the most logical but we can never really figure it out. For someone to convince themselves that it is figured out is foolish. It's not much less foolish to claim to know the earth is warming because fossil fuels are being over used and too much carbon is in the air than it is to say God made it warmer for fun. One may seem more logical but we have no real studies of how the sun works from the inside and we can't say for sure that it's not just the sun going through a warming cycle that will cool in time. Believing in a certain science because it makes the most sense at the time is fine so long as you understand that it is faith in that science. Faith you cannot prove. Presenting that science as concrete fact and teaching it as such to people that don't know any better is no different than teaching about Adam and Eve.
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Let's not say it did happen. Let's say monkeys are blue, human beings are immortal, Martians landed in Indonesia the oher day and George W. Bush goes fishing every weekend with his dead grandmother (who was immortal after all?).

We don't know what will happen in the future, but to assume gravity might change its course all of a sudden is simply ridiculous. What use is it to take all those possibilities into account, whilst knowing by reason that the chance of them actually happening is second to none?

Al Gore is not a scientist. He's only a person trying to be noticed by the public, and he's doing a good job at that. You might as well compare him to the 'yokel who claims it's God's way'.

As soon as a theory in science is falsified, the theorists who based their ideas on that original theory, will have to go back to the drawing table and revise their ideas. They'll have to start testing their hypotheses all over again, and probably look for new explanations to be tested. That's all there is to it.

To ascribe phenomena as an act of God has always been the easy way out. "I don't know, maybe God knows. I'm too ignorant and lowly to know. I shouldn't challenge God's ways, as it will lead to nothing." That's a submissive attitude that's far from helping mankind to develop. It's mental suicide. It is to denounce your own thinking and to disqualify the capabilities of mankind on a whole. It's a rejection of everything man has achieved. That's misanthropy at its finest.

QuietTruth:
What pisses me off about Atheists is that they get dumb and disrespectful. I don't disrespect, unless I am first. This prolly doesn't even apply to any of ya'll on this board who don't have in faith in God anyways but here's what I can't stand.

They somehow think they have 'power'. Taking mangers of The Green is unnecessary to THEM. You don't believe in NOTHING, why should you care?? You don't believe than you shouldn't care if it doesn't apply to you. We don't say, 'Atheists you are not allowed to practice atheism', WE DON'T say that, so what gives YOU the right to tell us. You don't believe in God so you just simply ignore, JUST LIKE everythang else in the world. If somebody you don't like shops in the store you work at, you ignore them, you don't ban them and say, 'hey, you can't shop here'! They are taking away OUR rights becuz they don't agree with them. That's wrong! Soon, Christmas music will be banned from playin' in stores becuz they say the word Jesus. Sorry, I apologize, but that pisses me off. I understand you have rights, and we accept that, BUT you are taking away ours, slowly. And I don't accept that.

Taking down The Declaration Of Independence and taking down the Bill Of Rights out of classrooms is fuckin' nonsense niggas. Nonsense! Becuz to them that teaches spirituality?? Get the FUCK outta here! That's our History. That the fuckin' U.S. history. It's gettin' ridiculous.

I hope I'm dead before it get's worse, not even playin'. I don't know what this world is comin' too. You have the right you practice what you want. But guess what? So do we.

I mean are the fuckin' holidays next? I mean really are they? Or is that a nah, BECUZ they celebrate that shit. Christmas is Jesus's Birthday, Easter is when is rose, how do ya'll sit and celebrate that shit after you just threw damn near a tantrum becuz the world believes in God.

Everywhere there's appreciation. The manger is on The Green, right next to the Hanukkah candle light, maybe there's nothing for you, and that's becuz you don't believe in it. So do you see where I'm coming from? They disrespecting me now. They taking away my rights.

Again, this prolly don't apply to ya'll, but you best tell your fellow believers to chill out for a second and think.

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