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Quote from: Foday-muh'fuckin-Sankoh, bitch! on December 06, 2007, 10:58:34 AMAllah says no.But all black men are God and Cam Ron is a black man. You hypocrite.Quote from: Westcoastin' on December 06, 2007, 07:54:26 PMtheres no such thing as blasphemy, thats just an old censor on free speech and free thought..... fuck religion, spirituality is whats importantSure Blasphemy is real. What God is exactly is unknown but God is good, meaning what is good is God. The spiritual energy that creates love is what God is. So going against what is right when you know it to be right and choosing to go against it regardless is what blasphemy is. Simply saying something stupid like "Fuck God", or walking around the mall with a T shirt with giant letters printed on that say "Jesus is a Cunt" (I saw it once in tha mall last summer) is not blasphemy, it's just idiocy; dumb kids trying to get attention. Even being upest with God for the rain that destroyed all your crops and coming out while it's raining with a shot gun and shooting the skies in an attempt to wound God or threaten him to keep him from letting more rain fall (I had a great uncle in Greece that did that once) is not blasphemy. It's simply being fucking pissed off, and a little nuts from what I understand. These may be all sins but they are not blasphemy. Blasphemy is watching an old woman fall right in front of you with no one else and around and watching her struggle to get up and you know you should help but you just stand there and watch because you don't want to help because you want to see her struggle and get hurt. That is going against everything that is right. Everything that is God. That is blasphemy.
Allah says no.
theres no such thing as blasphemy, thats just an old censor on free speech and free thought..... fuck religion, spirituality is whats important
Eleven 2 Three; I've read through your responses to me and to others and it seems you fail to acknowledge your science is largely based on faith. I admit my faith. I believe letting an old woman struggle and not helping her when she needs it is evil and goes against what is God. I believe that Good To be God. It's a feeling. A system of beliefs. I can't prove it and I don't intend to try because it cannot be done. I believe the good inside everyone is there because of God. I believe that everyone anyone that does not feel the need to help that woman is struggling with evil and needs to get rid of that evil. How exactly one would do that I don't know. How exactly that evil got their I don't know. I just won't allow myself to believe that someone can be born with a set of values that mean allowing a helpless woman to suffer causes pleasure. These are my beliefs about life. Because that is how I feel inside.You attempt to use psychology as an explanation for certain feelings. Where is there any proof in that science? Science is in large part religion. People see patterns and deduce from those patterns "laws" but any scientific law is only a theory. Newton's laws of physics make sense to us now and they may make sense to us forever. You want to shoot a falling monkey that is on the same plane as you are and you have to aim straight and the bullet will fall with the monkey and strike it. You take air out of the equation any two objects of any mass fall at the same rate. We call it gravity. A magnetic pull that causes the objects, the bullet, the monkey to fall. But a scientific law is definite. And we can't be definite. We cannot predict the future. We do not know that every object from this point on will always fall at the same rate. It sounds stupid I know. I get it a lot. David Humew explained it much better than I and he changed the language of science.
Gravity is a phenomenon that we can have named and observed but you can't see it or test it. We just know that when you let go of something it falls. It's pulled. Do you know for sure that it isn't pushed? Do you know for sure that it isn't an energetic order that decides that this object at this time will fall, but at any other time it could be ordered to not fall. There is no evidence that that will happen, YET. And they yet is the point. We cannot assume that it is impossible for that to ever happen. Let's say it did happen. All of a sudden certain objects with nothing in particular in common started floating while others did not. Scientists would come up with various theories to explain it even though they wouldn't have any clue because Newton's Laws would cease to exist but they'd make something up and a consensus would occur and majority rule would give us a new theory. Al Gore would blame it Global Warming. But is that really that much more concrete than some yokel claiming it's God's way of punishing us or whatever he'd say? Is it really? Have you seen gravity? Have you touched it? Opened it up inside and tried to figure out how it works?
Let's say it did happen. All of a sudden certain objects with nothing in particular in common started floating while others did not. Scientists would come up with various theories to explain it even though they wouldn't have any clue because Newton's Laws would cease to exist but they'd make something up and a consensus would occur and majority rule would give us a new theory. Al Gore would blame it Global Warming. But is that really that much more concrete than some yokel claiming it's God's way of punishing us or whatever he'd say? Is it really? Have you seen gravity? Have you touched it? Opened it up inside and tried to figure out how it works?It's merely a phenomenon that we cannot see so we figure out ways to explain it. We agree on what is the most logical but we can never really figure it out. For someone to convince themselves that it is figured out is foolish. It's not much less foolish to claim to know the earth is warming because fossil fuels are being over used and too much carbon is in the air than it is to say God made it warmer for fun. One may seem more logical but we have no real studies of how the sun works from the inside and we can't say for sure that it's not just the sun going through a warming cycle that will cool in time. Believing in a certain science because it makes the most sense at the time is fine so long as you understand that it is faith in that science. Faith you cannot prove. Presenting that science as concrete fact and teaching it as such to people that don't know any better is no different than teaching about Adam and Eve.
P.S. I was comparing Gore to a yokel.
If you believe in the possibility of God are you an athiest? I see athiests that see no God like devout catholics see God. A no doubt about it. Admitting you don't know how the world was createed and not believing in any one explanation makes me call you an agnostic.
I wasn't really trying to tie in morality with religion. I'm not so sure that with out organized religion we wouldn't have a moral society.
Remember I do believe that the holy spirit resides in all of us and the concept of what is good is present in everyone. You can argue that we learn it from being taught it. I argue that we learn it naturally. There has never been any significant tests on human growing up in the wild to support either claim. And I think we can both agree that to conduct such studies would be wrong. So we may never get to the bottom of that one.
Some things in my opinion don't have any reason. Why are we born? We do we exist. Why do we need oxygen to live? Why does gravity keep us grounded on the Earth and keep us from flying into the unviverse? Does reason answer any of that? Can it? Can Science? And whys can never be answered. I'm not saying that the bible answers them. I just don't think about the whys because I'm confident we can't figure them out. We're here. We can figure out how to make here easier to cope with but we can never figure out why we're here, not with any science I've seen yet anyway.
I was raised with a religion that suits me and I choose to believe what I've been taught and what I've concluded myself. I guess in the end I don't want to believe that we just live for 80 or so years and die and that's it. I want to believe that there is something bigger, more premanent for us. Wishful thinking maybe but I have to believe in a spiritual connection and spiritual existence.
^ From all your posts I take it you read "The God Delusion" inside out?
Who keeps propping me? I've never gotten to 100 before. Thanks.
Quote from: Shallow on December 13, 2007, 05:49:16 PMWho keeps propping me? I've never gotten to 100 before. Thanks.I'm sorry, LOL. It's a tendency I have for people who enter a discussion with me