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In my opinion Greates rapper can be debated forever. Its lke great athletes and great teams. We cant judge em because of different ears. Music evolves. Are the Beattles the greatest? Why if you compare them to the most basic rock group out now this group can probbaly play circles around the beattles. Different era different ways to analyseWith that said Tupac was tight on the mic, had charisma to the year 3000 and had deep lyrcis.You cant compare him to straight up lyrcial dudes. Some people like that lyrcial shit , me it bores me it as no flava, no charisma imo. Its very very taleted but not for meIts all a matter of opinion but we can all agree he is part of a group that will be known as the best ever.
all i've got to say is that 2pac is the best all-around rapper i've ever heardand pac found a way to rap over any type of beat. VERY versitile.anyone who calls him over-rated is smoking rocks.
Plus, on a personal level, the guy went to prison for RAPE and liked to talk shit about anybody, including Dre who gave him the biggest single of his career (Cali love), and Biggie who was such a good friend he let him sleep at his place when he was homeless and gave him money for verses when Pac was broke.
Quote from: Trauma-san on December 23, 2007, 05:05:49 AMPlus, on a personal level, the guy went to prison for RAPE and liked to talk shit about anybody, including Dre who gave him the biggest single of his career (Cali love), and Biggie who was such a good friend he let him sleep at his place when he was homeless and gave him money for verses when Pac was broke. The subject is about Pac's music and his abilities on the mic not his personal life. Plus, if you wanna go there, just because he went to prison doesn't really mean he was guilty and what rapper you know doesn't like to talk shit. Now I could give a flying fuck that he talked shit about Dre, mind you I think Pac would have done fine without Cali Love, and I'm sure Pac did BIG alotta favours too-so what they were friends that's what friends do.My two cents on all of this:If you think Pac is the GOAT then that's fine but don't overdo it, he's my favourite too but I'm not acting like he's the reincarnation of Christ or whatever, it's okay to be an artist's number one fan but there's a difference between being a fan or a stan.
Any artist that is seen as the reincarnation of Jesus is overrated.
Quote from: Real City's M-o-S-T on December 22, 2007, 03:56:53 PMIn my opinion Greates rapper can be debated forever. Its lke great athletes and great teams. We cant judge em because of different ears. Music evolves. Are the Beattles the greatest? Why if you compare them to the most basic rock group out now this group can probbaly play circles around the beattles. Different era different ways to analyseWith that said Tupac was tight on the mic, had charisma to the year 3000 and had deep lyrcis.You cant compare him to straight up lyrcial dudes. Some people like that lyrcial shit , me it bores me it as no flava, no charisma imo. Its very very taleted but not for meIts all a matter of opinion but we can all agree he is part of a group that will be known as the best ever.And that's really what it boils down to.Fact is...for every person who says Pac is NOT the greatest...have them mention who they think the greatest is...and I guarantee that more people will object to whoever their choice is than to 2Pac as the best ever.It's nearly impossible to say who the best basketball player is. 90% of the world will say Jordan, and the basis is that he has the stats, money, endorsements, and rings to prove it...so it's harder to argue. For those who think Kobe is better, they have their argument, but Jordan's stats and legacy will always be greater. However...it's even harder to compare rappers, because the only quantitative numbers we can really use are sales, whether it's album sales, concert sales, or clothing/poster/collector's items....and those aren't solid enough for us to really prove anything. Everybody has compeltely different taste, and we all judge rappers for different things. It's people who honestly, deep in their heart, believe that Pac sucks as a rapper, Dre sucks as a producer, Jay sucks as a rapper, Lil Boosie is the best rapper ever, Lil Wayne is more of a legend than Rakim, and Soulja Boy is a better producer than Quik. And as much as we may call some of these people idiots, it's not many ways to really prove them wrong....so fuck it, let em have it!
Quote from: SP0RTY on December 22, 2007, 05:05:44 PMi respect everyone else's opinions but IMO he was the greatest because he could make great songs of any kind gangsta, bitchez, a message and make everyone listen to them. He wasnt the most lyrical but he could do anything alot of ppl i know love the song changes but other artists who make a message song they wont even touch and to me thats why he was the greatest...hes not my favorite mc tho ahahsporty whats with that dudes teeth
i respect everyone else's opinions but IMO he was the greatest because he could make great songs of any kind gangsta, bitchez, a message and make everyone listen to them. He wasnt the most lyrical but he could do anything alot of ppl i know love the song changes but other artists who make a message song they wont even touch and to me thats why he was the greatest...hes not my favorite mc tho ahah
Pretty much every rapper who has died has become overrated. Pac was great but hardly the greatest. He has two albums which I consider classic Me Against the World and Makaveli. Most would say All Eyez On Me but that album was highly overrated. It had classic cuts but overall it was inconsistent. The best part about Pac is his use of emotion, you felt everything he said. For me its Scarface or Ice Cube. Biggie, Pac, and Big L have been overblown because of there deaths. Big L, at least, has the would could have been quality. Biggie thats just a joke. How can you be the greatest after two albums? Neither of which i would ever purchase, but have listened to.
Most cats that say Pac was over rated were mostly those that didn't grow up on him. I honestly didn't ever hear anybody say he was wack when "Strictly.." dropped. He's one of the most versatile MC's ever, he appealed to everyone because he was real. The vast majority of rappers today completely bit his style and personality. A lot of you youngins don't realize how unauthentic these new jacks are.I don't think he's the GOAT, but I do think he's worthy of the praise he gets.