Connecting racism with rap

[M Dogg™]

Listen, I did not make this post to say who was racist, frankly, I don't give a damn. I made it because everyone was saying Snoop Dogg is racist for making pro black unity lyrics. What I'm saying is, this is not racist. I'm from an all Mexican and Black city. Rialto is about 60% Mexican, 30% Black, and 10% white. I know about White people in here getting harrased. But what I'm saying is that in White communities, and Asains, it seems as if they are more unified, and that the whole neiborhood raises the kid. I see more car pools, more sleep overs, more trust. Well in Black and Mexican communities, I see more mistrust, and we turn on each other. Also, I notice our schools are shit compared to those in White communities. So when minorities talk about coming together, they are not being racist, they are trying to incourage their community, a place they have PRIDE in, to try and better themselves, and not be such mistrusting bums, because that's basically all we are becoming. I guess college is fucking with my head, but this is how I feel after hearing people call Snoop Dogg a racist for trying to encourage the Black community. They are not racist, just trying to raise their community to White and Asain levels. Man how many times must I repeat this. And oh yeah, Jake, your a cool Mexican, but the Whole Human Mentality goes out the window for being pulled over for nothing by cops. I'm a college student with no record, and I scored a 1040 on my SATs, which was second in my class in high school. I played football, and I donate time to my church, which I love, so if we are One Human Mentality, then why am I targeted. If I was white, would they pull me over.

[TheSheriff]

You realize by saying there are different mentalities...That's the kind of thing that drives wedges in between race relations?

Sorry, but I don't have a white mentality...or black mentality...NO mentality except a human one...

So don't gimme that bullshit. You make your own mentality.

[Don Jacob]

i can explain this issue on cops pulling people over


i have a neighbor (who is black by the way) who is a cop and he think this whole "racial profiling" thing is a gimick

we had a discussion really about how come cops pull over people (blacks and mexicans) for no reason and that day i had gotten pulled over and i was pissed cuz i didn't do NOTHING but my neighbor told me this

cops are really out to do their jobs they put their jobs above their lifes most times and they take an oath to protect and serve the community, so if they're pulling you over it's becuase you might look suspicicious , now jake i ain't saying it's cuz your mexican he pulled you over it's becuase you dress like a hoodlem somtimes, and you can be the mexican Jesus Christ but if you looked like hoodlem they have a right to inspect you

that pissed me off becuase i was like fuck just cuz i'm mexican i'm automatically a hoodlem? and then i relised if you look like Dee-bo of corse your gonna get pulled over but if you look like will smith than you ain't got no problem....if you look like lil joker from friday yeah your gonna get pulled over but if you look like Ricky Martin than i guess your not gonna get pulled over and even if you do what do you got to be worried about as long as you ain't doing nothing wrong right, and now i look at it like damn i'm glad cops do that becuase with all the crazy crazy people out there they're gonna catch alot of cancers on society ya know what i'm sayin

[M Dogg™]

Drive a wedge? Man the first thing to getting rid of the wedge is to first see the differences between mentalities. The Human mentality is cool, but it's not reality. Your going to tell me a Mexican from a Mexican community has the same mentality as a White from a Mexican community. Hell your going to tell me you have the same mentality as your neigbor. We are all different, we are all not programmed the same. Every person is different, and one thing that makes us that way is culture. White culture is different from Black culture, and Asain culture is different from Mexican culture. Hell Mexicans and Chicanos have different mentality. This is a fact, not no things should be this way. I'm tired of defended my stands. I'm saying it's hard for us to come up, because if shit was ment to be far, the the country would make it that way. Poor White people have to come up just as much as the other minorities, and rich minorities have just as much as an advantage than any other rich white person, this is true. But all and all, we are still divided by invisable lines, and I know it's hard to see, and believe because this country is such a great one. But I left California to compare a minority ran state (of sorts) were I'm a majority, to a place were I'm a minority. And shit is why different, and it's like visiting, not a different country, but a different world. There is a differents in mentality, if it's race related or not, you decide for yourself; but shit is defferent, and I told you, I mainly wrote this in responce to people say Snoop Dogg is racist for telling Blacks to come together. We are not racist for telling are communities to come together. Tell me how is that. A white person that does that, a Republican, a minority, RACIST???

[M Dogg™]

Oh yeah, and as I said before, 74% of drug users, and about the same percent sell drugs, are white. 90% of people in jail due to drugs, minorities. Looking suspect, and who are the suspects are two different things. And I usually don't look suspect, just that I have a bald head because the I.E. is usually 10 to 20 degrees hotter than L.A., which we are over a 100 and it's 96 on a cool day. the clothesare not straight gangsta, just shit that looks more hip-hop style, and my car is old because that's all I can afford. I still don't trust cops, there are some good ones, I've met them, but my mom actually taught me, so I ain't doing it.

[TheSheriff]

M Dogg, not tryin to bug you, but...What mentality am I?

If you're saying Mexicain communities should unite, fair enough, but that's the kind of thing that creates racism...People can SEE you're different, and that you don't want to fit in...I'd like humanity to be coffee coloured...

Shit, I've been stopped in the street, in an 80% white area, cause I wear hoodish clothes...It's not about race, it's about apparent danger.

Anyway, you say everyone's different...Yet at the same time claim that a mexicain has the same mentality as another mexicain...bullshit...Which one do you mean?

[M Dogg™]

As I said, we fight, the same with the Blacks. This does not create racism because by uniting, we are following the same paterns that Whites and Asains use to raise kids by their whole community. It's not a matter of having the same mentality, I didn't mention that until Big Jake did. I just think we should unite in terms of trust. That's what so called racist rappers are trying to say. Not have the same mentality, but to TRUST each other. parents get to know each other, and help raise kids together, because we fight among ourselves to much.  You mentality is your thing, just trust you fellow man, and since most Mexicans and Blacks complain about the same thing, well TRUST each other and COMMUNICATE with each other to solve the problem. Our communities need help. We lack what others have, TRUST and COMMUNICATION. This does not create racism, this allows the members of the community to work together in building up their community so that the people can work out their differences. We need a lot of help, and this is were to start, to first bring up the problem, instead of saying, "it's an indivual problem," because unitied we stand, divided we fall. Non COMMUNICATION creates racism because it creates ignorince. (hope I spelled that right, damn Rialto education) I not saying, exclude all non Mexican or Black people, just saying all Mexican and Black people must learn to talk like neighbors, just like White people do, and we need to help raise children with a village, not a single parent. A strong community can raise kids better than a single parent. (sorry dad, I know you tryed your hardest, but I did have like 4 extra mothers, and that made all the difference.) So it's not exclution I'm talking about, it's TRUST AND COMMUNICATION between Blacks and Mexicans, hell they can even trust each other if all goes right.

[Trauma-san]

I Agree With A Lot Of What M Dogg's Sayin..

Open Your Eyes, Yall... I'm White, So I See A Lot Of It Happen. Cops DO Pull People Over Just Because They're Black.  They've Pulled Me Over And I've Talked My Way Out Of Speeding Tickets Probably 5 Times, And I KNOW They Wouldn't Let A Black Guy Get Away With That.

Now, If You Got A WHITE GUY Sitting Here Telling You That People Are Racist, Pleezbalievit.  I See It All The Time... I Think It Goes Each Way Though, Black Peeps Are Racist Too, It's Just They Don't Have The Power White People Sometimes Do To Enforce Their Views, You Know?  

I Grew Up Dirt Poor, To Where I Got Money Now, And I'm Sure Alot Of That Success We've Had Came From My Dad Being White.  Simple As That...

[Mr_Loc]

all Mexican and Black people must learn to talk like neighbors, just like White people do

man theres a lot of white-majority communities where everyone is against each other, nobody helps out nobody. where im from, nobody ever helped raised me but my mother.

thats what i mean when i say dont paint everyone with the same brush, not all white communities are the same, just like not all mexican communities are the same, all depends on social conditions and varying situations.

[Don Seer]

now that true... it often depends on the area of town

Shit, I've been stopped in the street, in an 80% white area, cause I wear hoodish clothes...It's not about race, it's about apparent danger.

i've been stopped for the same kinda shit in a 99.99% white area, i get followed around stores on my lunch break - just coz I look a little rough (like a scally for you 'puddlians/brookie fans) - when in fact I earn over double a security guards salary

[TheSheriff]

I have never said Snoop was racist. Most I ever said was a light protest against Daz's "Us against them" rap in TDTNTO. That don't help race relations.

Let's put this in perspective...

I, at one point, lived in Tijuana, Mexico. There, whites are peresecuted HORRIBLY. Now say the mexicains are all nice guys.

Anyway, it ain't about race, it's about humanity itself.

And Trauma, where you from near ATL? The south is traditionally pro-white, but College Park, East Point...Weeell, there, black cops stop whites for no reason.

[Top-Dogg2001]

I am black and I feel as though when I go some places whites are staring and think of us as thugs and uneducated people. If I go somewhere with a few of my friends they don't even want to be near us.They'll cross over to the other side of the street. Alot of whites treat us like crap. They don't even want to move into the same neighborhoods as us. (for some blacks that is understandable). The jails are filled with minorities. Also whites get a better opportunity at getting in schools.

But it's messed up how any time whites want to express white pride they are considered racist.  Even people consider tommy hilfiger to be racist all because he said he didn't know black people would buy his clothes. I see nothing racist about that statement but many blacks do.

[M Dogg™]

At least were talk about the right stuff now. There is need for name calling. And as for painting everyone with the same brush, I've been to a minority community, mine, and a white community, my college. Now I know people are raise different, but it is usually those that are in college were raised by more than just their parents. They had a lot of people watching them. And who are the overwhelming majority in college, Whites and Asains. At my school, Asains alone are more than Blacks and Mexicans combined, and Whites are over 50%. I just notice this patten of succese, and more rappers that express fustration say, Black people need to stick together. Now they may say some anti-white things, but that's on them, the main message is, to help your community from within before you can do anything else. That's all that is really being said. The anti-white thing is their problem, but don't get the message mixed up with the garbage. Hell ya'all listen to rap, and all 2Pac fans know this better than anyone.

[West Coast Veteran]

excellent post. yall said what i woulda said but just wanted to say good post.

[HHH]

YOU CANT REALLY TURN ROUND AND SAY "THIS PARTICUAR GROUP OF PEOPLE ARE RACIST AND ARE MORE LIKELY TO BREAK THE LAW". THATS PUTTING A LABEL ON PEOPLE.

THERE ARE GOOD AND BAD IN ALL WALKS OF LIFE MATE !!

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