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You're missing the whole point of the crowding a path to begin with. If Ariza was on his drive to the basket before Hill established position, it is not an offensive foul. As you can see, Grant Hill's back is facing the camera in the beginning of the clip, which means that Ariza established his drive to the basket first=defensive foul. You could never be a ref in America.
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Quote from: Maestro Minded / LME on December 27, 2007, 12:19:48 PMQuote from: GangstaBoogy on December 27, 2007, 12:01:31 PMGrant Hill never stopped moving his feet...therefore its a blocking foul.This dunk reminds me a lot of Kobe's dunk on Nash. a defender can move his feets and still be in position as long as he's moving backwards or sideways.Mmmm.. no. He can't move his feets, man. That's the rule #1, forgot that?
Quote from: GangstaBoogy on December 27, 2007, 12:01:31 PMGrant Hill never stopped moving his feet...therefore its a blocking foul.This dunk reminds me a lot of Kobe's dunk on Nash. a defender can move his feets and still be in position as long as he's moving backwards or sideways.
Grant Hill never stopped moving his feet...therefore its a blocking foul.This dunk reminds me a lot of Kobe's dunk on Nash.
i believe thats the way it should be, and in sweden, thats the way it is. maybe they follow that strictly in NBA/FIBA, but atleast according to the rules and regelations, that's the way it's supposed to be. you know like in football, some rules aren't followed strictly either (attempting to trip an opponent inside the penalty box often doesnt result in a penalty even though it should according to UEFA rules) ask your father, im looking forward to a response, like you said, this is a good discussion.btw juventus third spot this season is impressive i must say.
Quote from: Maestro Minded / LME on December 27, 2007, 04:32:55 PMi believe thats the way it should be, and in sweden, thats the way it is. maybe they follow that strictly in NBA/FIBA, but atleast according to the rules and regelations, that's the way it's supposed to be. you know like in football, some rules aren't followed strictly either (attempting to trip an opponent inside the penalty box often doesnt result in a penalty even though it should according to UEFA rules) ask your father, im looking forward to a response, like you said, this is a good discussion.btw juventus third spot this season is impressive i must say.If you are a ref you know you don't read books when you are on the court, lol. You simply analyze the movement of the defender when you take your decision. If he moves towards the player with the ball to take the contact you usually call it a defensive foul. If he's in his initial guarding position and he just moves lateral or backwards to mantain it and prevent the dribbler from doing an uncontested dunk/lay-up, you call it a charge, cause the defender was ALREADY in a legal guarding position and he simply moved to adjust his position. But his feet must be planted on the floor and he shouldn't be in movement when there's the contact.In this case (sorry but i can't see videos at the moment), if i remember well, Hill was not in an initial guarding position. He lost his man. To be in the legal guarding position you should have both feet on the floor and you have to be IN FRONT of the player with the ball. Hill is not in that position, since he's moving lateral without facing Ariza. In my opinion that's a defensive foul. Because he didn't have an initial guarding position. But i understand some could call it a charge cause in the moment of the impact Hill was in a perfect position with both the feets on the floor and in front of Ariza. It's a defensive foul to me, anyway.And it's easier to see in Kobe's facial to Nash. Just look at Nash. He moves towards Kobe just to prevent him from dunking. Defensive foul.Just my opinion.I'll ask my father about the rule.P.S.Watch out for Juventus: i'm pretty sure we will finish 2nd this season, and we'll contend for the title (and the Champions League) in the 2008/09 season.
Quote from: Now_I_Know on December 27, 2007, 03:44:36 PMYou're missing the whole point of the crowding a path to begin with. If Ariza was on his drive to the basket before Hill established position, it is not an offensive foul. As you can see, Grant Hill's back is facing the camera in the beginning of the clip, which means that Ariza established his drive to the basket first=defensive foul. You could never be a ref in America.ariza is not even in the 3 sec box when grant hill is in position just outside the restriction area, with both his legs standing firmly on the ground, 6-7 feet away from ariza. OFF COURSE he has every right to be there. as you can see in that picture he's crossing his arms on his chest to show the ref that he's on position (which he shouldnt need to do).grant hills back facing the camera isn't that strange since ariza is cutting in from the right side of the court (check the pic)do you really not see how there's a possibility for this case being a charge?if you don't ... OK.. lets just drop it.