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As I get older I begin to realize what many people have realized before me, Science is nothing more than another religion, and all religion attempts to understand the world we're in, all go about it in a different way, Science abandons faith for instance, etc.... therefore it's not strange at all to me that Science and religion would have similar parallel points.
Quote from: Trauma-san on January 10, 2008, 02:33:28 PMAs I get older I begin to realize what many people have realized before me, Science is nothing more than another religion, and all religion attempts to understand the world we're in, all go about it in a different way, Science abandons faith for instance, etc.... therefore it's not strange at all to me that Science and religion would have similar parallel points.WHen u guys say science do you mean the Scientology shit Tom Cruise is in?
Quote from: True knowledge--take a dose on January 10, 2008, 02:41:54 PMQuote from: Trauma-san on January 10, 2008, 02:33:28 PMAs I get older I begin to realize what many people have realized before me, Science is nothing more than another religion, and all religion attempts to understand the world we're in, all go about it in a different way, Science abandons faith for instance, etc.... therefore it's not strange at all to me that Science and religion would have similar parallel points.WHen u guys say science do you mean the Scientology shit Tom Cruise is in? no,no,no. That's another religion. I mean Science as taught in school, as reported in the news, SCIENCE, scientists are actually practicing a religion. I'm not saying I'm against it, I'm not against any religion. I'm just saying that Science is a religion just like Christianity is a religion, and there's no validity in picking science over religion. As the guy was showing above, just like Islam and Christianity has a lot of similarities, Science and Islam or Science and Christianity also share similar fundamentals because they're all types of religion. People worship the Global Warming theory, for instance, in much the same way people worship the creation theory.
Quote from: Trauma-san on January 10, 2008, 03:41:58 PMQuote from: True knowledge--take a dose on January 10, 2008, 02:41:54 PMQuote from: Trauma-san on January 10, 2008, 02:33:28 PMAs I get older I begin to realize what many people have realized before me, Science is nothing more than another religion, and all religion attempts to understand the world we're in, all go about it in a different way, Science abandons faith for instance, etc.... therefore it's not strange at all to me that Science and religion would have similar parallel points.WHen u guys say science do you mean the Scientology shit Tom Cruise is in? no,no,no. That's another religion. I mean Science as taught in school, as reported in the news, SCIENCE, scientists are actually practicing a religion. I'm not saying I'm against it, I'm not against any religion. I'm just saying that Science is a religion just like Christianity is a religion, and there's no validity in picking science over religion. As the guy was showing above, just like Islam and Christianity has a lot of similarities, Science and Islam or Science and Christianity also share similar fundamentals because they're all types of religion. People worship the Global Warming theory, for instance, in much the same way people worship the creation theory. yea but one thing i think thats different between the two is that science has facts. and religion is based solely on faith and belief which leaves room for errors,inconsistency/ doubt etc. With science its possible that one can say " I Know such such" but with religion all they can say is " I be- LIE-ve such such".
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Quote from: QuietTruth on January 09, 2008, 03:13:02 PMDo ya'll call God, Allah, God, or both??Allah is just the Arabic term for God... Arab Christians use the word Allah to refer to God, just like Spanish-speaking Christians say "Dios", etc... all referring to the same God.
Do ya'll call God, Allah, God, or both??
Quote from: J @ M @ L on January 09, 2008, 04:53:04 PMQuote from: QuietTruth on January 09, 2008, 03:13:02 PMDo ya'll call God, Allah, God, or both??Allah is just the Arabic term for God... Arab Christians use the word Allah to refer to God, just like Spanish-speaking Christians say "Dios", etc... all referring to the same God....Well that's One way To Look at it J @ M @ L!!But The Christian God is not considered Allah of the Islam faith though..Even though Arab-Christians refer to Him as 'Allah' due to their native tongue,but in reality there are two separate Beings!I'm not dissing you or anything, I'm just trying to explain from perspective!!
Quote from: Mackin4Life on January 11, 2008, 05:10:17 PMQuote from: J @ M @ L on January 09, 2008, 04:53:04 PMQuote from: QuietTruth on January 09, 2008, 03:13:02 PMDo ya'll call God, Allah, God, or both??Allah is just the Arabic term for God... Arab Christians use the word Allah to refer to God, just like Spanish-speaking Christians say "Dios", etc... all referring to the same God....Well that's One way To Look at it J @ M @ L!!But The Christian God is not considered Allah of the Islam faith though..Even though Arab-Christians refer to Him as 'Allah' due to their native tongue,but in reality there are two separate Beings!I'm not dissing you or anything, I'm just trying to explain from perspective!!really? i always thought they were the same God. Because the prophets are in the Koran. Its just that to Muslims, Mohammad was the last prophet to bring the word of God.
Quote from: True knowledge--take a dose on January 11, 2008, 05:14:10 PMQuote from: Mackin4Life on January 11, 2008, 05:10:17 PMQuote from: J @ M @ L on January 09, 2008, 04:53:04 PMQuote from: QuietTruth on January 09, 2008, 03:13:02 PMDo ya'll call God, Allah, God, or both??Allah is just the Arabic term for God... Arab Christians use the word Allah to refer to God, just like Spanish-speaking Christians say "Dios", etc... all referring to the same God....Well that's One way To Look at it J @ M @ L!!But The Christian God is not considered Allah of the Islam faith though..Even though Arab-Christians refer to Him as 'Allah' due to their native tongue,but in reality there are two separate Beings!I'm not dissing you or anything, I'm just trying to explain from perspective!!really? i always thought they were the same God. Because the prophets are in the Koran. Its just that to Muslims, Mohammad was the last prophet to bring the word of God.^Well according to the Muslim faith yes,that would be accurate!!However in the Xtian faith,it's different!!Both deities are so different in their relationship towards man,that it's so clear to see..And on that note, I'll say no more!Not that i don't know what I'm talking about, rather not to offend others of different faith!!
Quote from: Mackin4Life on January 11, 2008, 05:24:38 PMQuote from: True knowledge--take a dose on January 11, 2008, 05:14:10 PMQuote from: Mackin4Life on January 11, 2008, 05:10:17 PMQuote from: J @ M @ L on January 09, 2008, 04:53:04 PMQuote from: QuietTruth on January 09, 2008, 03:13:02 PMDo ya'll call God, Allah, God, or both??Allah is just the Arabic term for God... Arab Christians use the word Allah to refer to God, just like Spanish-speaking Christians say "Dios", etc... all referring to the same God....Well that's One way To Look at it J @ M @ L!!But The Christian God is not considered Allah of the Islam faith though..Even though Arab-Christians refer to Him as 'Allah' due to their native tongue,but in reality there are two separate Beings!I'm not dissing you or anything, I'm just trying to explain from perspective!!really? i always thought they were the same God. Because the prophets are in the Koran. Its just that to Muslims, Mohammad was the last prophet to bring the word of God.^Well according to the Muslim faith yes,that would be accurate!!However in the Xtian faith,it's different!!Both deities are so different in their relationship towards man,that it's so clear to see..And on that note, I'll say no more!Not that i don't know what I'm talking about, rather not to offend others of different faith!!You obviously have no fucking clue.It's not "one way to look at it"... that's what it is. Arab Christians refer to God as Allah, and they know it is the same deity as the God worshipped by Muslims. You said "in reality there are two separate Beings!".... so you're saying there are two Gods? The difference is as the other guy stated, that Muslims believe Mohammed to be the last messenger... and the two faiths differ on their view of the nature of Jesus... Muslims consider him a prophet, while Christians believe he is God/The Son of God/etc. What you're saying would mean that Jews and Christians also don't believe in the same God, since Jews didn't accept Jesus Christ... so according to your logic (if I can even call it that) Christians believe that they're worshipping the same God as Jews, but Jews feel that they're not worshipping the same God as Christians. "In the name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful:Praise be to God, the Lord of the Universe.The Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.King of the Day of Judgment.You alone we worship, and You alone we ask for helpGuide us to the straight way;The way of those whom you have blessed, not of those who have deserved anger, nor of those who stray."
I went to Lebanon on vacation a while back... the Christians there would go to Muslim imams/sheikhs for guidance sometimes... and they had no problem reciting Surah Al-Fatiha from the Quran in their prayers because they know that they're worshipping the same God... since the message in Surah Al-Fatiha doesn't differ from Christians' view of God.
Quote from: J @ M @ L on January 11, 2008, 07:58:54 PMQuote from: Mackin4Life on January 11, 2008, 05:24:38 PMQuote from: True knowledge--take a dose on January 11, 2008, 05:14:10 PMQuote from: Mackin4Life on January 11, 2008, 05:10:17 PMQuote from: J @ M @ L on January 09, 2008, 04:53:04 PMQuote from: QuietTruth on January 09, 2008, 03:13:02 PMDo ya'll call God, Allah, God, or both??Allah is just the Arabic term for God... Arab Christians use the word Allah to refer to God, just like Spanish-speaking Christians say "Dios", etc... all referring to the same God....Well that's One way To Look at it J @ M @ L!!But The Christian God is not considered Allah of the Islam faith though..Even though Arab-Christians refer to Him as 'Allah' due to their native tongue,but in reality there are two separate Beings!I'm not dissing you or anything, I'm just trying to explain from perspective!!really? i always thought they were the same God. Because the prophets are in the Koran. Its just that to Muslims, Mohammad was the last prophet to bring the word of God.^Well according to the Muslim faith yes,that would be accurate!!However in the Xtian faith,it's different!!Both deities are so different in their relationship towards man,that it's so clear to see..And on that note, I'll say no more!Not that i don't know what I'm talking about, rather not to offend others of different faith!!You obviously have no fucking clue.It's not "one way to look at it"... that's what it is. Arab Christians refer to God as Allah, and they know it is the same deity as the God worshipped by Muslims. You said "in reality there are two separate Beings!".... so you're saying there are two Gods? The difference is as the other guy stated, that Muslims believe Mohammed to be the last messenger... and the two faiths differ on their view of the nature of Jesus... Muslims consider him a prophet, while Christians believe he is God/The Son of God/etc. What you're saying would mean that Jews and Christians also don't believe in the same God, since Jews didn't accept Jesus Christ... so according to your logic (if I can even call it that) Christians believe that they're worshipping the same God as Jews, but Jews feel that they're not worshipping the same God as Christians. "In the name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful:Praise be to God, the Lord of the Universe.The Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.King of the Day of Judgment.You alone we worship, and You alone we ask for helpGuide us to the straight way;The way of those whom you have blessed, not of those who have deserved anger, nor of those who stray."i Actually do know!!it's not 'my logic''It's the way it is...yes Islam views Christ as a prophet, but deny his divinity,which holds true for ChristianityAnd no the jews and Christians believe in the same God!!!They did not accept Christ,cuz accordingly to them and He was the messiah they were looking for!!But We believe in the same god..the God Of Judea!!Well both deities can't be the same,their principlies differ, this is obvious just by merely reading both Holy Books of the respective faiths!QuoteI went to Lebanon on vacation a while back... the Christians there would go to Muslim imams/sheikhs for guidance sometimes... and they had no problem reciting Surah Al-Fatiha from the Quran in their prayers because they know that they're worshipping the same God... since the message in Surah Al-Fatiha doesn't differ from Christians' view of God.^^Why would they go to an Imam,why not go to a priest or go to Church??You wouldn't expect a muslim to seek guidance from a priest???Think about it,why say a prayer that is of a different faith,to talk to your God,who is of a different faith.That is like speaking French to an English person.."Surah Al-Fatiha"=>How does this not differ for the Xtians view of GodHow come Prophet Mohammad is not mentioned in the Bible,if both faiths are the same??
Quote from: Mackin4Life on January 12, 2008, 04:15:29 PMQuote from: J @ M @ L on January 11, 2008, 07:58:54 PMQuote from: Mackin4Life on January 11, 2008, 05:24:38 PMQuote from: True knowledge--take a dose on January 11, 2008, 05:14:10 PMQuote from: Mackin4Life on January 11, 2008, 05:10:17 PMQuote from: J @ M @ L on January 09, 2008, 04:53:04 PMQuote from: QuietTruth on January 09, 2008, 03:13:02 PMDo ya'll call God, Allah, God, or both??Allah is just the Arabic term for God... Arab Christians use the word Allah to refer to God, just like Spanish-speaking Christians say "Dios", etc... all referring to the same God....Well that's One way To Look at it J @ M @ L!!But The Christian God is not considered Allah of the Islam faith though..Even though Arab-Christians refer to Him as 'Allah' due to their native tongue,but in reality there are two separate Beings!I'm not dissing you or anything, I'm just trying to explain from perspective!!really? i always thought they were the same God. Because the prophets are in the Koran. Its just that to Muslims, Mohammad was the last prophet to bring the word of God.^Well according to the Muslim faith yes,that would be accurate!!However in the Xtian faith,it's different!!Both deities are so different in their relationship towards man,that it's so clear to see..And on that note, I'll say no more!Not that i don't know what I'm talking about, rather not to offend others of different faith!!You obviously have no fucking clue.It's not "one way to look at it"... that's what it is. Arab Christians refer to God as Allah, and they know it is the same deity as the God worshipped by Muslims. You said "in reality there are two separate Beings!".... so you're saying there are two Gods? The difference is as the other guy stated, that Muslims believe Mohammed to be the last messenger... and the two faiths differ on their view of the nature of Jesus... Muslims consider him a prophet, while Christians believe he is God/The Son of God/etc. What you're saying would mean that Jews and Christians also don't believe in the same God, since Jews didn't accept Jesus Christ... so according to your logic (if I can even call it that) Christians believe that they're worshipping the same God as Jews, but Jews feel that they're not worshipping the same God as Christians. "In the name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful:Praise be to God, the Lord of the Universe.The Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.King of the Day of Judgment.You alone we worship, and You alone we ask for helpGuide us to the straight way;The way of those whom you have blessed, not of those who have deserved anger, nor of those who stray."i Actually do know!!it's not 'my logic''It's the way it is...yes Islam views Christ as a prophet, but deny his divinity,which holds true for ChristianityAnd no the jews and Christians believe in the same God!!!They did not accept Christ,cuz accordingly to them and He was the messiah they were looking for!!But We believe in the same god..the God Of Judea!!Well both deities can't be the same,their principlies differ, this is obvious just by merely reading both Holy Books of the respective faiths!QuoteI went to Lebanon on vacation a while back... the Christians there would go to Muslim imams/sheikhs for guidance sometimes... and they had no problem reciting Surah Al-Fatiha from the Quran in their prayers because they know that they're worshipping the same God... since the message in Surah Al-Fatiha doesn't differ from Christians' view of God.^^Why would they go to an Imam,why not go to a priest or go to Church??You wouldn't expect a muslim to seek guidance from a priest???Think about it,why say a prayer that is of a different faith,to talk to your God,who is of a different faith.That is like speaking French to an English person.."Surah Al-Fatiha"=>How does this not differ for the Xtians view of GodHow come Prophet Mohammad is not mentioned in the Bible,if both faiths are the same??LOL. You're dumber than I thought.
Yes, I know that Jews and Christians believe in the same God... and so do Muslims. I never said both faiths are the same. I said they believe in the same God.
As for Surah Al-Fatiha, show me what part of this Christians would disagree with:"In the name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful:Praise be to God, the Lord of the Universe.The Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.King of the Day of Judgment.You alone we worship, and You alone we ask for helpGuide us to the straight way;The way of those whom you have blessed, not of those who have deserved anger, nor of those who stray."