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Quote from: Trauma-san on January 23, 2008, 07:24:12 AMQuote from: Shallow on January 22, 2008, 04:49:58 PMQuote from: Trauma-san on January 22, 2008, 04:34:27 PMI think Michaels' singing abilities are very underrated. When people talk about him, they talk about his dancing, his whole persona, but the fact is the guy is an incredible singer. To say he's less than average or that a band leader could smoke him is rediculous. Michael has got to have one of the greatest voices of all time, his versatility is so insane that there have only been 3 or 4 cover songs recorded by major artists of his work, even though he's had hit after hit, nobody else sings them live or re-records them? The reason is most of his stuff the average singer cannot attempt to cover. He can sing any genre from R&B to Gospel to Rock, to Heavy Metal to Pop to even songs that have country influences. Look how easily he switches between pop, hiphop, and heavy metal in shit like "black or white". If you want to talk shit about him, you can't honestly with an open mind say the man can't sing. He can sing smooth, rough, falsetto, high, low, the man can be Gerald Levert, Usher, Stephen Tyler, and Luther Vandross on the same song. He's simply an incredible performer on every measurable level.Now to compare him vocally to Elvis is rediculous. Elvis I would say is the greatest pop singer of all time. He's another guy with an incredible versatility, only his upper limits included operatic performances, he was simply on another planet. He can sing just fine. When I sad Band leader I meant lead singers to all those groups lie the Temptations in Detroit that never got deals. MoTown the city had incredible talent no one ever heard. The problem is they all sounded like David Ruffin and Eddie Kendricks. I mean exactly like they sound. And as much as I like MJ's voice I'll never say it's as good as Ruffin's or Kendricks'.Recognize. You've never even heard Elvis cover or Bridge.P.S. Chris Cornell did a phenominal cover of Billie Jean on his last acoustic tour.Bitch please. I've got album after album of Elvis', I've listened to concerts of his and have several on video. I've heard his cover of Bridge Over Troubled Water, what the fuck you think you've got some shit on me because you've heard a POPULAR cover of a POPULAR song? I said Elvis was a better singer than Michael, why don't you go back and fucking read, child. I 'recognize' that I was listening to Elvis before you were born, how's that, bitch? I spelled Recognize with a "z" as in RECOGNIZE187; the guy who said MJ wasa better singer. Did you have fun typing that tirade? BEcause I wasn't talking to you about Bridge. Of course you have heard it.
Quote from: Shallow on January 22, 2008, 04:49:58 PMQuote from: Trauma-san on January 22, 2008, 04:34:27 PMI think Michaels' singing abilities are very underrated. When people talk about him, they talk about his dancing, his whole persona, but the fact is the guy is an incredible singer. To say he's less than average or that a band leader could smoke him is rediculous. Michael has got to have one of the greatest voices of all time, his versatility is so insane that there have only been 3 or 4 cover songs recorded by major artists of his work, even though he's had hit after hit, nobody else sings them live or re-records them? The reason is most of his stuff the average singer cannot attempt to cover. He can sing any genre from R&B to Gospel to Rock, to Heavy Metal to Pop to even songs that have country influences. Look how easily he switches between pop, hiphop, and heavy metal in shit like "black or white". If you want to talk shit about him, you can't honestly with an open mind say the man can't sing. He can sing smooth, rough, falsetto, high, low, the man can be Gerald Levert, Usher, Stephen Tyler, and Luther Vandross on the same song. He's simply an incredible performer on every measurable level.Now to compare him vocally to Elvis is rediculous. Elvis I would say is the greatest pop singer of all time. He's another guy with an incredible versatility, only his upper limits included operatic performances, he was simply on another planet. He can sing just fine. When I sad Band leader I meant lead singers to all those groups lie the Temptations in Detroit that never got deals. MoTown the city had incredible talent no one ever heard. The problem is they all sounded like David Ruffin and Eddie Kendricks. I mean exactly like they sound. And as much as I like MJ's voice I'll never say it's as good as Ruffin's or Kendricks'.Recognize. You've never even heard Elvis cover or Bridge.P.S. Chris Cornell did a phenominal cover of Billie Jean on his last acoustic tour.Bitch please. I've got album after album of Elvis', I've listened to concerts of his and have several on video. I've heard his cover of Bridge Over Troubled Water, what the fuck you think you've got some shit on me because you've heard a POPULAR cover of a POPULAR song? I said Elvis was a better singer than Michael, why don't you go back and fucking read, child. I 'recognize' that I was listening to Elvis before you were born, how's that, bitch?
Quote from: Trauma-san on January 22, 2008, 04:34:27 PMI think Michaels' singing abilities are very underrated. When people talk about him, they talk about his dancing, his whole persona, but the fact is the guy is an incredible singer. To say he's less than average or that a band leader could smoke him is rediculous. Michael has got to have one of the greatest voices of all time, his versatility is so insane that there have only been 3 or 4 cover songs recorded by major artists of his work, even though he's had hit after hit, nobody else sings them live or re-records them? The reason is most of his stuff the average singer cannot attempt to cover. He can sing any genre from R&B to Gospel to Rock, to Heavy Metal to Pop to even songs that have country influences. Look how easily he switches between pop, hiphop, and heavy metal in shit like "black or white". If you want to talk shit about him, you can't honestly with an open mind say the man can't sing. He can sing smooth, rough, falsetto, high, low, the man can be Gerald Levert, Usher, Stephen Tyler, and Luther Vandross on the same song. He's simply an incredible performer on every measurable level.Now to compare him vocally to Elvis is rediculous. Elvis I would say is the greatest pop singer of all time. He's another guy with an incredible versatility, only his upper limits included operatic performances, he was simply on another planet. He can sing just fine. When I sad Band leader I meant lead singers to all those groups lie the Temptations in Detroit that never got deals. MoTown the city had incredible talent no one ever heard. The problem is they all sounded like David Ruffin and Eddie Kendricks. I mean exactly like they sound. And as much as I like MJ's voice I'll never say it's as good as Ruffin's or Kendricks'.Recognize. You've never even heard Elvis cover or Bridge.P.S. Chris Cornell did a phenominal cover of Billie Jean on his last acoustic tour.
I think Michaels' singing abilities are very underrated. When people talk about him, they talk about his dancing, his whole persona, but the fact is the guy is an incredible singer. To say he's less than average or that a band leader could smoke him is rediculous. Michael has got to have one of the greatest voices of all time, his versatility is so insane that there have only been 3 or 4 cover songs recorded by major artists of his work, even though he's had hit after hit, nobody else sings them live or re-records them? The reason is most of his stuff the average singer cannot attempt to cover. He can sing any genre from R&B to Gospel to Rock, to Heavy Metal to Pop to even songs that have country influences. Look how easily he switches between pop, hiphop, and heavy metal in shit like "black or white". If you want to talk shit about him, you can't honestly with an open mind say the man can't sing. He can sing smooth, rough, falsetto, high, low, the man can be Gerald Levert, Usher, Stephen Tyler, and Luther Vandross on the same song. He's simply an incredible performer on every measurable level.Now to compare him vocally to Elvis is rediculous. Elvis I would say is the greatest pop singer of all time. He's another guy with an incredible versatility, only his upper limits included operatic performances, he was simply on another planet.
I don't know...maybe it's my upbringing, but I've never respected Elvis much at all, and I feel that he was extremely overrated as a singer and star. This might start a war on here, and I know for fact that some people here know much more about him than I will ever (care to) know. I just know that me and most people I know admire and respect MJ, James Brown, and even Prince MUCH, MUCH MORE than they ever will Elvis.
Quote from: Shallow on January 23, 2008, 07:30:46 AMQuote from: Trauma-san on January 23, 2008, 07:24:12 AMQuote from: Shallow on January 22, 2008, 04:49:58 PMQuote from: Trauma-san on January 22, 2008, 04:34:27 PMI think Michaels' singing abilities are very underrated. When people talk about him, they talk about his dancing, his whole persona, but the fact is the guy is an incredible singer. To say he's less than average or that a band leader could smoke him is rediculous. Michael has got to have one of the greatest voices of all time, his versatility is so insane that there have only been 3 or 4 cover songs recorded by major artists of his work, even though he's had hit after hit, nobody else sings them live or re-records them? The reason is most of his stuff the average singer cannot attempt to cover. He can sing any genre from R&B to Gospel to Rock, to Heavy Metal to Pop to even songs that have country influences. Look how easily he switches between pop, hiphop, and heavy metal in shit like "black or white". If you want to talk shit about him, you can't honestly with an open mind say the man can't sing. He can sing smooth, rough, falsetto, high, low, the man can be Gerald Levert, Usher, Stephen Tyler, and Luther Vandross on the same song. He's simply an incredible performer on every measurable level.Now to compare him vocally to Elvis is rediculous. Elvis I would say is the greatest pop singer of all time. He's another guy with an incredible versatility, only his upper limits included operatic performances, he was simply on another planet. He can sing just fine. When I sad Band leader I meant lead singers to all those groups lie the Temptations in Detroit that never got deals. MoTown the city had incredible talent no one ever heard. The problem is they all sounded like David Ruffin and Eddie Kendricks. I mean exactly like they sound. And as much as I like MJ's voice I'll never say it's as good as Ruffin's or Kendricks'.Recognize. You've never even heard Elvis cover or Bridge.P.S. Chris Cornell did a phenominal cover of Billie Jean on his last acoustic tour.Bitch please. I've got album after album of Elvis', I've listened to concerts of his and have several on video. I've heard his cover of Bridge Over Troubled Water, what the fuck you think you've got some shit on me because you've heard a POPULAR cover of a POPULAR song? I said Elvis was a better singer than Michael, why don't you go back and fucking read, child. I 'recognize' that I was listening to Elvis before you were born, how's that, bitch? I spelled Recognize with a "z" as in RECOGNIZE187; the guy who said MJ wasa better singer. Did you have fun typing that tirade? BEcause I wasn't talking to you about Bridge. Of course you have heard it.Everything I said is still true, though... I mean, you are a childish bitch. I was listening to Elvis before you were born; You are pretty fucking ignorant for thinking people haven't heard a famous cover of a famous song.
Quote from: R-Tistic on January 23, 2008, 02:57:02 AMI don't know...maybe it's my upbringing, but I've never respected Elvis much at all, and I feel that he was extremely overrated as a singer and star. This might start a war on here, and I know for fact that some people here know much more about him than I will ever (care to) know. I just know that me and most people I know admire and respect MJ, James Brown, and even Prince MUCH, MUCH MORE than they ever will Elvis.No wars being started. You just don't listen to that music. James Brown would equate Elvis's talent with his own. Is Brown being an idiot when he says that? How much of the old RnB do you relly listen to. I'm not talking about the MoTown Pop. I mean Big Mama Thornton, Howlin Wolf, Chuck Berry, Arthur Cruddup etc. My guess is you only listen to that stuff when it show up in a movie. You may as well be juding metal singers. Or go to a Bob Dylan concert and ask a bunch of 60 somethings who is the better rapper Rakim or Luda.
Quote from: Shallow on January 23, 2008, 07:46:15 AMQuote from: R-Tistic on January 23, 2008, 02:57:02 AMI don't know...maybe it's my upbringing, but I've never respected Elvis much at all, and I feel that he was extremely overrated as a singer and star. This might start a war on here, and I know for fact that some people here know much more about him than I will ever (care to) know. I just know that me and most people I know admire and respect MJ, James Brown, and even Prince MUCH, MUCH MORE than they ever will Elvis.No wars being started. You just don't listen to that music. James Brown would equate Elvis's talent with his own. Is Brown being an idiot when he says that? How much of the old RnB do you relly listen to. I'm not talking about the MoTown Pop. I mean Big Mama Thornton, Howlin Wolf, Chuck Berry, Arthur Cruddup etc. My guess is you only listen to that stuff when it show up in a movie. You may as well be juding metal singers. Or go to a Bob Dylan concert and ask a bunch of 60 somethings who is the better rapper Rakim or Luda.Well if a song lays in a movie and i've never heard it before, i'll go searching for it and if i like itthen I'll get the artist catalog's and every other artist that is part of that Artist genre!!i think you are being a bit silly and judgmental in your response to R.Tistic!You have no idea what other Music he listen to, the fact that he only cites a few artist should not be construed to mean that's all he listen to!The song you upload is Nice, but I'm not feeling it!Thanks all the same!
^ bruce was like that with me def, the voice is so hard to get used to, i cant unerstand him sometimes, and i feel you completely, i remember i researched robert johnson, and was so exited to hear him, and then after downloading, i was like, huh, like i dont get it, now, hes probly one of my fav blues artist, and that voice just is incredible, i takes time and an open mind, some shit ill catch myself listening to now 3 years ago i would have though im smokin crack, but i just let go of all my previous knowledge and try shit, also listening to something 1 time isnt enough, the 1st listen of something i never heard before thats very different is a strange experience, but after a couple times things happen in your brain that just make you get it, or sometimes you just dont get it after listening time and time over, so u just dont listen, im like that with a lot of electronic music, nothing sparks so i say fuck it
Quote from: R-Tistic on January 23, 2008, 02:57:02 AMI don't know...maybe it's my upbringing, but I've never respected Elvis much at all, and I feel that he was extremely overrated as a singer and star. This might start a war on here, and I know for fact that some people here know much more about him than I will ever (care to) know. I just know that me and most people I know admire and respect MJ, James Brown, and even Prince MUCH, MUCH MORE than they ever will Elvis.That's just because you're ignorant to his contributions to Music. Elvis Presley was HUGE, he changed the way music was made and had a much heavier, significant impact than MJ, James Brown and Prince combined. A lot of Elvis' 'hate' comes from the black community because they've been told that Elvis was a racist. All indications are that nothing could be farther from the truth, Elvis grew up in a black community, attended a black church as a child, and worked with black artists his entire career. There's even a famous story of Elvis standing up for his black backup-singers on a trip to Texas once. This was a man without a racist bone in his body, but because he was a white man capable of singing as well as any black man, he was often attacked and was hated because he could reach success that a black man often couldn't. People looked at Elvis and said how come hes' the shit but nobody listens to Otis Redding? While his success may have had something to do with being more 'acceptable' to White America than blacks were, you cannot knock the man's talent. I believe if you actually researched and paid attention to Elvis's music, his life, and his contributions to music you would be flat out amazed at just how great he truly was.
Quote from: Shallow on January 23, 2008, 07:46:15 AMQuote from: R-Tistic on January 23, 2008, 02:57:02 AMI don't know...maybe it's my upbringing, but I've never respected Elvis much at all, and I feel that he was extremely overrated as a singer and star. This might start a war on here, and I know for fact that some people here know much more about him than I will ever (care to) know. I just know that me and most people I know admire and respect MJ, James Brown, and even Prince MUCH, MUCH MORE than they ever will Elvis.No wars being started. You just don't listen to that music. James Brown would equate Elvis's talent with his own. Is Brown being an idiot when he says that? How much of the old RnB do you relly listen to. I'm not talking about the MoTown Pop. I mean Big Mama Thornton, Howlin Wolf, Chuck Berry, Arthur Cruddup etc. My guess is you only listen to that stuff when it show up in a movie. You may as well be juding metal singers. Or go to a Bob Dylan concert and ask a bunch of 60 somethings who is the better rapper Rakim or Luda.I am definitely familiar with all of these artists, since my dad is a Jazz musician who's in his 60's, but neither of us actively listen to this sound. I listen to Jazz that goes back further than that, but I don't listen to much R&B, Rock, or Soul that goes past the 60's...so my taste for that is a lot different. I have more of an ear for Jazz, so it is hard for me to even appreciate some of the musical compositions that Motown's "pop" had as you said, because it just won't hit you the same way if you are listening for more complex music.
If you saw Little Richard's movie, and if you know about how things happened back then, you would know that it was fact that a black artist would make a song, and a white artist would come and take the song, water it down, and make 100,000 times more than the black artist...so it would make sense that they would hate Elvis, even if he was coming up with his own songs, just because he was getting paid for doing what blacks did, when blacks weren't in a position to get paid the same way.
Quote from: R-Tistic on January 23, 2008, 01:59:09 PMQuote from: Shallow on January 23, 2008, 07:46:15 AMQuote from: R-Tistic on January 23, 2008, 02:57:02 AMI don't know...maybe it's my upbringing, but I've never respected Elvis much at all, and I feel that he was extremely overrated as a singer and star. This might start a war on here, and I know for fact that some people here know much more about him than I will ever (care to) know. I just know that me and most people I know admire and respect MJ, James Brown, and even Prince MUCH, MUCH MORE than they ever will Elvis.No wars being started. You just don't listen to that music. James Brown would equate Elvis's talent with his own. Is Brown being an idiot when he says that? How much of the old RnB do you relly listen to. I'm not talking about the MoTown Pop. I mean Big Mama Thornton, Howlin Wolf, Chuck Berry, Arthur Cruddup etc. My guess is you only listen to that stuff when it show up in a movie. You may as well be juding metal singers. Or go to a Bob Dylan concert and ask a bunch of 60 somethings who is the better rapper Rakim or Luda.I am definitely familiar with all of these artists, since my dad is a Jazz musician who's in his 60's, but neither of us actively listen to this sound. I listen to Jazz that goes back further than that, but I don't listen to much R&B, Rock, or Soul that goes past the 60's...so my taste for that is a lot different. I have more of an ear for Jazz, so it is hard for me to even appreciate some of the musical compositions that Motown's "pop" had as you said, because it just won't hit you the same way if you are listening for more complex music. That's what I was saying. People that are used to Marvin Gaye don't think much of Sinatra, and the people used to Sinatra don't think much of Gaye. I'm using kids of today as the example. Most of my black friends that grew up with MoTown in the house think Sinatra sucks. Most of my Italian friends that grew up with the Rat Pack in the house think Marvin Gaye sounds like a woman amd can't listen to it.
Quote from: Shallow on January 23, 2008, 02:09:15 PMQuote from: R-Tistic on January 23, 2008, 01:59:09 PMQuote from: Shallow on January 23, 2008, 07:46:15 AMQuote from: R-Tistic on January 23, 2008, 02:57:02 AMI don't know...maybe it's my upbringing, but I've never respected Elvis much at all, and I feel that he was extremely overrated as a singer and star. This might start a war on here, and I know for fact that some people here know much more about him than I will ever (care to) know. I just know that me and most people I know admire and respect MJ, James Brown, and even Prince MUCH, MUCH MORE than they ever will Elvis.No wars being started. You just don't listen to that music. James Brown would equate Elvis's talent with his own. Is Brown being an idiot when he says that? How much of the old RnB do you relly listen to. I'm not talking about the MoTown Pop. I mean Big Mama Thornton, Howlin Wolf, Chuck Berry, Arthur Cruddup etc. My guess is you only listen to that stuff when it show up in a movie. You may as well be juding metal singers. Or go to a Bob Dylan concert and ask a bunch of 60 somethings who is the better rapper Rakim or Luda.I am definitely familiar with all of these artists, since my dad is a Jazz musician who's in his 60's, but neither of us actively listen to this sound. I listen to Jazz that goes back further than that, but I don't listen to much R&B, Rock, or Soul that goes past the 60's...so my taste for that is a lot different. I have more of an ear for Jazz, so it is hard for me to even appreciate some of the musical compositions that Motown's "pop" had as you said, because it just won't hit you the same way if you are listening for more complex music. That's what I was saying. People that are used to Marvin Gaye don't think much of Sinatra, and the people used to Sinatra don't think much of Gaye. I'm using kids of today as the example. Most of my black friends that grew up with MoTown in the house think Sinatra sucks. Most of my Italian friends that grew up with the Rat Pack in the house think Marvin Gaye sounds like a woman amd can't listen to it.I think Sinatra and Marvin were dope as hell. I have music from both of them, but I would definitely prefer hearing Marvin. It is all different styles though, and it's hard to get into styles that don't have much in common.
yea, i def like that raw sound, the blues have been doing it for me lately, howlin wolf, john lee hooker, robert johnson, blind boy fuller, son house, leadbelly, i love it , i even got into some woody guthrie. oh, shallow, do you have any eric von shmidt?