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Where's the Ron Paul People??
Machiavelli:
--- Quote from: Mr. Javii on February 10, 2008, 11:47:55 AM ---
--- Quote from: Eleven 2 Three on February 10, 2008, 11:28:48 AM ---What's the difference between having the same extreme politics, and being ideologically similar?
People like Ron Paul should be praised for actually looking to make a change, as opposed to the usual politics of the two big parties. You can be sure the change won't come from Obama; we should be glad there's actually some people out there willing to stick out their necks. Or, to put it in a familiar context: within a few years, you guys will feel either deceived by your candidates who promised change, or you'll stick your heads in the sand like "Real" American. So go ahead, and blame Ron Paul for being different. Yeah, fuck having people who actually express their true visions through democracy, instead of being a bunch of yes-men! Ron Paul should be banned from the campaign! ::) :grumpy:
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I praise Ron Paul for what he's done. Props to him and his followers.
The polices in the last 8 years have been heavily favored to the neo-conservatives, apart from the last two. Obama can't bring an extreme change, but you can't deny that he'll have a strong impact in domestic polices. Why? Well he's going to be able to work with a Democratic Congress. Bill Clinton didn't even have that, and that's why it was pretty hard for him to get things done. He's also going to nominate 2-3 Supreme Court Justices. We can't let a Republican take office and nominate even more conservatives to the Supreme Court, it will end up being extremely favored to the right. Roe V Wade can be overturned if McCain gets elected.
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McCain wont do shit....but Roe V Wade needs to be overturned. it should be a state issue.
It's not about nominating conservatives or liberals to the supreme court, one just needs to be a strict contistionlist and most progressives and neocons are not
Javier:
--- Quote from: Machiavelli on February 10, 2008, 12:21:15 PM ---
--- Quote from: Mr. Javii on February 10, 2008, 11:47:55 AM ---
--- Quote from: Eleven 2 Three on February 10, 2008, 11:28:48 AM ---What's the difference between having the same extreme politics, and being ideologically similar?
People like Ron Paul should be praised for actually looking to make a change, as opposed to the usual politics of the two big parties. You can be sure the change won't come from Obama; we should be glad there's actually some people out there willing to stick out their necks. Or, to put it in a familiar context: within a few years, you guys will feel either deceived by your candidates who promised change, or you'll stick your heads in the sand like "Real" American. So go ahead, and blame Ron Paul for being different. Yeah, fuck having people who actually express their true visions through democracy, instead of being a bunch of yes-men! Ron Paul should be banned from the campaign! ::) :grumpy:
--- End quote ---
I praise Ron Paul for what he's done. Props to him and his followers.
The polices in the last 8 years have been heavily favored to the neo-conservatives, apart from the last two. Obama can't bring an extreme change, but you can't deny that he'll have a strong impact in domestic polices. Why? Well he's going to be able to work with a Democratic Congress. Bill Clinton didn't even have that, and that's why it was pretty hard for him to get things done. He's also going to nominate 2-3 Supreme Court Justices. We can't let a Republican take office and nominate even more conservatives to the Supreme Court, it will end up being extremely favored to the right. Roe V Wade can be overturned if McCain gets elected.
--- End quote ---
McCain wont do shit....but Roe V Wade needs to be overturned. it should be a state issue.
It's not about nominating conservatives or liberals to the supreme court, one just needs to be a strict contistionlist and most progressives and neocons are not
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You're taking an ideal approach to the Supreme Court situation. Do you really want to leave it up each State?
virtuoso:
It's not about nominating conservatives or liberals to the supreme court, one just needs to be a strict contistionlist and most progressives and neocons are not
Word, this is exactly what I mean, all of these people who constantly have these ridiculous labels "well i am a centrist leaning but slight leftie" "well i think that you lefties are the cause of the social decline in this country, we need a strong right wing government" "well i think you are all wrong what we need is the liberals" "flaming liberals endanger the stability of this nation with their idiotic poliicies" "
Meanwhile the truth is that these ideologies stopped on having any signifance at the upper echelons of power a long time time ago. Like 123 has said there is no difference in the parties they should just merge, that's not exclusively an opinion on american politics it''s largely the same here, i can't speak on germany or holland but I am sure 123 can speak on that. These labels mean nothing because fundamentally they have shifted the goal posts, they no longer contest or argue about the fundamental principles of constitution, about rights, now it's about giant centralised bureaucracies where the state imposes mass control on all sectors of an individuals life. Instead of addressing these major issues, the argument turns to who can manage this the best. It's no longer about civil liberties being shitted on, the argument instead moves to "addressing the flaws" it's no longer about the wrongfulness of means testing, instead it's petty disagreements about where the threshhold should be. It's not about having a military which protects this nation and who should not be used outside of that scope, it's about an argument over which invasion best serves our "national interests" .
What M Dogg is saying though, relects entirely the double think which has been indoctrinated into so many of the populous. For example oh you are against the military being used to wage aggression on other nations, you are for upholding the constitution, you complain about a police state, you complain about the state of the borders, you are angry at the state of the economy, oh you are angry about complete centralised government control, you are an extremist. I wonder how much longer it is before these clowns then add to that, why are you for the constitution, don't you want to be free?
Javier:
LOL It's not wise to follow the Constitution in a strict manner. Times change.
Machiavelli:
--- Quote from: Mr. Javii on February 10, 2008, 12:32:06 PM ---
--- Quote from: Machiavelli on February 10, 2008, 12:21:15 PM ---
--- Quote from: Mr. Javii on February 10, 2008, 11:47:55 AM ---
--- Quote from: Eleven 2 Three on February 10, 2008, 11:28:48 AM ---What's the difference between having the same extreme politics, and being ideologically similar?
People like Ron Paul should be praised for actually looking to make a change, as opposed to the usual politics of the two big parties. You can be sure the change won't come from Obama; we should be glad there's actually some people out there willing to stick out their necks. Or, to put it in a familiar context: within a few years, you guys will feel either deceived by your candidates who promised change, or you'll stick your heads in the sand like "Real" American. So go ahead, and blame Ron Paul for being different. Yeah, fuck having people who actually express their true visions through democracy, instead of being a bunch of yes-men! Ron Paul should be banned from the campaign! ::) :grumpy:
--- End quote ---
I praise Ron Paul for what he's done. Props to him and his followers.
The polices in the last 8 years have been heavily favored to the neo-conservatives, apart from the last two. Obama can't bring an extreme change, but you can't deny that he'll have a strong impact in domestic polices. Why? Well he's going to be able to work with a Democratic Congress. Bill Clinton didn't even have that, and that's why it was pretty hard for him to get things done. He's also going to nominate 2-3 Supreme Court Justices. We can't let a Republican take office and nominate even more conservatives to the Supreme Court, it will end up being extremely favored to the right. Roe V Wade can be overturned if McCain gets elected.
--- End quote ---
McCain wont do shit....but Roe V Wade needs to be overturned. it should be a state issue.
It's not about nominating conservatives or liberals to the supreme court, one just needs to be a strict contistionlist and most progressives and neocons are not
--- End quote ---
You're taking an ideal approach to the Supreme Court situation. Do you really want to leave it up each State?
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well I'm pro-life but abortion should be handled at a local level, the federal government shouldn't be the enforcer. Just like many other shit.
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