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LOL It's not wise to follow the Constitution in a strict manner. Times change.
Quote from: Mr. Javii on February 10, 2008, 12:32:06 PMQuote from: Machiavelli on February 10, 2008, 12:21:15 PMQuote from: Mr. Javii on February 10, 2008, 11:47:55 AMQuote from: Eleven 2 Three on February 10, 2008, 11:28:48 AMWhat's the difference between having the same extreme politics, and being ideologically similar?People like Ron Paul should be praised for actually looking to make a change, as opposed to the usual politics of the two big parties. You can be sure the change won't come from Obama; we should be glad there's actually some people out there willing to stick out their necks. Or, to put it in a familiar context: within a few years, you guys will feel either deceived by your candidates who promised change, or you'll stick your heads in the sand like "Real" American. So go ahead, and blame Ron Paul for being different. Yeah, fuck having people who actually express their true visions through democracy, instead of being a bunch of yes-men! Ron Paul should be banned from the campaign! I praise Ron Paul for what he's done. Props to him and his followers. The polices in the last 8 years have been heavily favored to the neo-conservatives, apart from the last two. Obama can't bring an extreme change, but you can't deny that he'll have a strong impact in domestic polices. Why? Well he's going to be able to work with a Democratic Congress. Bill Clinton didn't even have that, and that's why it was pretty hard for him to get things done. He's also going to nominate 2-3 Supreme Court Justices. We can't let a Republican take office and nominate even more conservatives to the Supreme Court, it will end up being extremely favored to the right. Roe V Wade can be overturned if McCain gets elected. McCain wont do shit....but Roe V Wade needs to be overturned. it should be a state issue.It's not about nominating conservatives or liberals to the supreme court, one just needs to be a strict contistionlist and most progressives and neocons are notYou're taking an ideal approach to the Supreme Court situation. Do you really want to leave it up each State? well I'm pro-life but abortion should be handled at a local level, the federal government shouldn't be the enforcer. Just like many other shit.
Quote from: Machiavelli on February 10, 2008, 12:21:15 PMQuote from: Mr. Javii on February 10, 2008, 11:47:55 AMQuote from: Eleven 2 Three on February 10, 2008, 11:28:48 AMWhat's the difference between having the same extreme politics, and being ideologically similar?People like Ron Paul should be praised for actually looking to make a change, as opposed to the usual politics of the two big parties. You can be sure the change won't come from Obama; we should be glad there's actually some people out there willing to stick out their necks. Or, to put it in a familiar context: within a few years, you guys will feel either deceived by your candidates who promised change, or you'll stick your heads in the sand like "Real" American. So go ahead, and blame Ron Paul for being different. Yeah, fuck having people who actually express their true visions through democracy, instead of being a bunch of yes-men! Ron Paul should be banned from the campaign! I praise Ron Paul for what he's done. Props to him and his followers. The polices in the last 8 years have been heavily favored to the neo-conservatives, apart from the last two. Obama can't bring an extreme change, but you can't deny that he'll have a strong impact in domestic polices. Why? Well he's going to be able to work with a Democratic Congress. Bill Clinton didn't even have that, and that's why it was pretty hard for him to get things done. He's also going to nominate 2-3 Supreme Court Justices. We can't let a Republican take office and nominate even more conservatives to the Supreme Court, it will end up being extremely favored to the right. Roe V Wade can be overturned if McCain gets elected. McCain wont do shit....but Roe V Wade needs to be overturned. it should be a state issue.It's not about nominating conservatives or liberals to the supreme court, one just needs to be a strict contistionlist and most progressives and neocons are notYou're taking an ideal approach to the Supreme Court situation. Do you really want to leave it up each State?
Quote from: Mr. Javii on February 10, 2008, 11:47:55 AMQuote from: Eleven 2 Three on February 10, 2008, 11:28:48 AMWhat's the difference between having the same extreme politics, and being ideologically similar?People like Ron Paul should be praised for actually looking to make a change, as opposed to the usual politics of the two big parties. You can be sure the change won't come from Obama; we should be glad there's actually some people out there willing to stick out their necks. Or, to put it in a familiar context: within a few years, you guys will feel either deceived by your candidates who promised change, or you'll stick your heads in the sand like "Real" American. So go ahead, and blame Ron Paul for being different. Yeah, fuck having people who actually express their true visions through democracy, instead of being a bunch of yes-men! Ron Paul should be banned from the campaign! I praise Ron Paul for what he's done. Props to him and his followers. The polices in the last 8 years have been heavily favored to the neo-conservatives, apart from the last two. Obama can't bring an extreme change, but you can't deny that he'll have a strong impact in domestic polices. Why? Well he's going to be able to work with a Democratic Congress. Bill Clinton didn't even have that, and that's why it was pretty hard for him to get things done. He's also going to nominate 2-3 Supreme Court Justices. We can't let a Republican take office and nominate even more conservatives to the Supreme Court, it will end up being extremely favored to the right. Roe V Wade can be overturned if McCain gets elected. McCain wont do shit....but Roe V Wade needs to be overturned. it should be a state issue.It's not about nominating conservatives or liberals to the supreme court, one just needs to be a strict contistionlist and most progressives and neocons are not
Quote from: Eleven 2 Three on February 10, 2008, 11:28:48 AMWhat's the difference between having the same extreme politics, and being ideologically similar?People like Ron Paul should be praised for actually looking to make a change, as opposed to the usual politics of the two big parties. You can be sure the change won't come from Obama; we should be glad there's actually some people out there willing to stick out their necks. Or, to put it in a familiar context: within a few years, you guys will feel either deceived by your candidates who promised change, or you'll stick your heads in the sand like "Real" American. So go ahead, and blame Ron Paul for being different. Yeah, fuck having people who actually express their true visions through democracy, instead of being a bunch of yes-men! Ron Paul should be banned from the campaign! I praise Ron Paul for what he's done. Props to him and his followers. The polices in the last 8 years have been heavily favored to the neo-conservatives, apart from the last two. Obama can't bring an extreme change, but you can't deny that he'll have a strong impact in domestic polices. Why? Well he's going to be able to work with a Democratic Congress. Bill Clinton didn't even have that, and that's why it was pretty hard for him to get things done. He's also going to nominate 2-3 Supreme Court Justices. We can't let a Republican take office and nominate even more conservatives to the Supreme Court, it will end up being extremely favored to the right. Roe V Wade can be overturned if McCain gets elected.
What's the difference between having the same extreme politics, and being ideologically similar?People like Ron Paul should be praised for actually looking to make a change, as opposed to the usual politics of the two big parties. You can be sure the change won't come from Obama; we should be glad there's actually some people out there willing to stick out their necks. Or, to put it in a familiar context: within a few years, you guys will feel either deceived by your candidates who promised change, or you'll stick your heads in the sand like "Real" American. So go ahead, and blame Ron Paul for being different. Yeah, fuck having people who actually express their true visions through democracy, instead of being a bunch of yes-men! Ron Paul should be banned from the campaign!
Quote from: Mr. Javii on February 10, 2008, 01:00:53 PMLOL It's not wise to follow the Constitution in a strict manner. Times change. Why is that? This country was founded on that principle, and many politicians say that we should be strict. There the ultimate papers of democracy and freedom. The founders of whom were one of the smartest people advised us to be strict to the document. We have been drifting further away from it ever since its creation, and look at whats happening in this country slowly but surely.
Quote from: Machiavelli on February 10, 2008, 01:07:54 PMQuote from: Mr. Javii on February 10, 2008, 01:00:53 PMLOL It's not wise to follow the Constitution in a strict manner. Times change. Why is that? This country was founded on that principle, and many politicians say that we should be strict. There the ultimate papers of democracy and freedom. The founders of whom were one of the smartest people advised us to be strict to the document. We have been drifting further away from it ever since its creation, and look at whats happening in this country slowly but surely.Times change.
Quote from: Mr. Javii on February 10, 2008, 01:11:29 PMQuote from: Machiavelli on February 10, 2008, 01:07:54 PMQuote from: Mr. Javii on February 10, 2008, 01:00:53 PMLOL It's not wise to follow the Constitution in a strict manner. Times change. Why is that? This country was founded on that principle, and many politicians say that we should be strict. There the ultimate papers of democracy and freedom. The founders of whom were one of the smartest people advised us to be strict to the document. We have been drifting further away from it ever since its creation, and look at whats happening in this country slowly but surely.Times change. It doesn't matter. If you look at the ideals and the fundamentals of liberty and freedom, those are timeless and the reason that this country was founded. That can never be outdated.
Quote from: Mr. Javii on February 10, 2008, 11:09:53 AMM Dogg never stated that they are ideologically similar. He said, "Same extreme following, with the same extreme politics, just different sides of the extreme." Extreme isn't the right word there, but he's saying it's a similar small following just on the opposite side of the political spectrum. Well he keeps saying that Ron Paul is Ralph Nader which is a stupid statement. He's also saying that Paul has dropped out, that he's a Libertarian, and that he stole people's money with no intent of running for the presidency. He also admits that nobody pays attention to him unless he mentions Ron Paul. Even if you draw that parallel between Paul and Nader, it's still weak as hell and I could list 100 reasons why they aren't even remotely close to similar. Mdogg is just trying to smear Paul.
M Dogg never stated that they are ideologically similar. He said, "Same extreme following, with the same extreme politics, just different sides of the extreme." Extreme isn't the right word there, but he's saying it's a similar small following just on the opposite side of the political spectrum.
Paul is so far right, and Nader so far left that they both actually have simular policies.
my throat hurts, its hard to swallow, and my body feels like i got a serious ass beating.
Quote from: M Dogg on February 10, 2008, 11:08:39 PMPaul is so far right, and Nader so far left that they both actually have simular policies. LOL... this guy has lost it
Quote from: J @ M @ L on February 11, 2008, 12:11:04 AMQuote from: M Dogg on February 10, 2008, 11:08:39 PMPaul is so far right, and Nader so far left that they both actually have simular policies. LOL... this guy has lost itI pointed out some simularities. I know for the most part they are different, but then again, both are anti-war, both are isolationist, and both don't have many supporters over 30.
Quote from: M Dogg on February 11, 2008, 12:18:34 AMQuote from: J @ M @ L on February 11, 2008, 12:11:04 AMQuote from: M Dogg on February 10, 2008, 11:08:39 PMPaul is so far right, and Nader so far left that they both actually have simular policies. LOL... this guy has lost itI pointed out some simularities. I know for the most part they are different, but then again, both are anti-war, both are isolationist, and both don't have many supporters over 30.They're both isolationist... yeah so many similar policies.. you're right.. lol.. and lol @ you using that last one as an example of a similar policy.By the way, it's spelled SIMILAR... and there's a difference between HE'S & HIS... aren't you in fucking college?
Quote from: J @ M @ L on February 11, 2008, 12:32:57 AMQuote from: M Dogg on February 11, 2008, 12:18:34 AMQuote from: J @ M @ L on February 11, 2008, 12:11:04 AMQuote from: M Dogg on February 10, 2008, 11:08:39 PMPaul is so far right, and Nader so far left that they both actually have simular policies. LOL... this guy has lost itI pointed out some simularities. I know for the most part they are different, but then again, both are anti-war, both are isolationist, and both don't have many supporters over 30.They're both isolationist... yeah so many similar policies.. you're right.. lol.. and lol @ you using that last one as an example of a similar policy.By the way, it's spelled SIMILAR... and there's a difference between HE'S & HIS... aren't you in fucking college?graduated
Word, this is exactly what I mean, all of these people who constantly have these ridiculous labels "well i am a centrist leaning but slight leftie" "well i think that you lefties are the cause of the social decline in this country, we need a strong right wing government" "well i think you are all wrong what we need is the liberals" "flaming liberals endanger the stability of this nation with their idiotic poliicies" "Meanwhile the truth is that these ideologies stopped on having any signifance at the upper echelons of power a long time time ago. Like 123 has said there is no difference in the parties they should just merge, that's not exclusively an opinion on american politics it''s largely the same here, i can't speak on germany or holland but I am sure 123 can speak on that. These labels mean nothing because fundamentally they have shifted the goal posts, they no longer contest or argue about the fundamental principles of constitution, about rights, now it's about giant centralised bureaucracies where the state imposes mass control on all sectors of an individuals life.