ATTENTION EVERYONE!!!!!

[lee]

Theres a "statement" on tha row website (from Suge) saying that the alligations in that magazine article are "absursed and completely untrue" hmmmmmm

[mellowman]

i wanted to drop by and give some clarifications to my original post.do not criticize me or anybody else who believes this story until you do 2 things. one, read the article. two, sit down and think things through. if you haven't done both of those things dont criticize me or deny the possibilties. i know a few of you can't believe that the great suge knight had anything to do with this. some one on this post asked me what the article all detailed. that would take forever. just try to find it. someone also asked what in the article supports my theory or convinced me that suge had a big part in pac's murder. there is a ton of things. i could talk for an hour about reasons and evidence that points in suge's direction. and please, read the article and find out for yourself. don't try to guess what it says. and yes the murder of tupac goes much deeper than just wanting to make money off pac's unreleased music.  at first glance that was a simple explanation,( just like the fruitless crip theory, which has been supported by absoluelty no facts or legitimate arguements), but it is much more complex.and suge, if he did it, would be only one of many responsible for pac's death. someone pulled the trigger, someone knows what happened but are too scared to talk, someone is covering it up, and the two top witnesess were murdered. but the fact that suge hired someone and did not pull the trigger himself makes what he did so horrible and cowardly.
. some of you will always deny that suge could have done this,even if he someday is found guilty.  and we may never find out the exact truth. but it doesn't really matter cause our judgements don't really matter in the end.
i also was asked what dre thinks about this. i do not know what dre thinks about this. this is a topic that does not and will not come up. i think that dre is thankful that he left death row when he did cause if he was in that car he would probably be dead too. but whether dre or snoop think or know ( and the article says snoop does) that suge killed pac is beside the point. their true feelings will probably not be brought up or discussed publicly ever again. and i don't blame dre or snoop for keeping silent. the danger they face is still  there. though not as strong as in 96,97,98.
on page 15 of the same r.s. magazine a letter from the editor and author of this article is something else that must be read. it addresses some beefs and questions you may have with the article. yes, it is a fact that black cops can be and are just as violent and crooked as white cops are sometimes. besides we've been killing each other for years from greed, money, jeolousy, hate and for street rep. and sadly some of these brothers who have destroyed their own people have crossed over to the police.it was only a matter of time. so know we really cannot trust the police. but this case is not about race. its only that we're so used to white cops and city officials being guilty and covering things up that when it turns around some people may not believe it or dismiss it as racial. again, the author and the lead investigator are risking their lives to come forward with this info. and yes i know that they may partly be doing this for fame or even money. and yes, this article makes the situtation glossy and tramatized. but all they want and all we and the remaining family members want is the truth. the letter to the editor also confirms my comments that the author's life is in danger and he knows it.  but right now this case and the truth will have a  hard time coming out. if the author, or the lead detective in charge, or dre, or snoop were to be killed it would blow the case wide open and turn a few men's quest into a large crusade. huge attention would be paid by the fedeal government and the chances of the truth coming out and convictions would increase dramatially.so hopefully all that and all the info now out in the open will prevent suge or anyone else from killing anyone associated with this case that wants the truth to be revealed.

[mellowman]

one vision bout pac's death that haunts me is the picture of him and suge sitting in suges car
moments before pac was shot. pac wanted to drive his own hummer with his usual security but
suge insisted pac ride with him to talk business (after a tyson fight and whipping someones ass?).
the windows are down and both pac and suge are easy to see. pacs place in the car would be very
easy for a hired killer to hit pac and miss suge, just like biggies murder, only switched. in fact the
los vegas cops believe suge cut himself with glass and then claim a bullet grazed him. a contract
killer who hit pac where he hit him would not miss so badly as to graze suge's head. it just doesn't
make sense. and why did suge stop the car in its tracks and not move when the bullets were fired.
and why did he pull to the side instead of going straight to the hopsital. also, in that picture,look
into pac's eyes.i see a man who doesn't really look scared or sad. i see a man who is almost
accepting the fact that he was about to die. like he knew something was going to happen but
could not really do anything to stop it or like his records suggested he knew he was going to die
soon. suge's eyes like usual look cold and menacing. anyway, there are way too many questions,
coincidences and eyewitnesses to things to say that the case against suge has no basis.
some people will think that im dead wrong when i say i am certain that  suge hired someone to kill
pac.  i wish to god that this is not the truth. but right now i am convinced it is.before this article i
was very suspicious suge did it ,based on what id heard, what people told me and what i had
thought through over and over again. this story confirmed those suspicions. and it also detailed in
great length and in convincing fashion a scenerio that likely played out. a lot of this information
had never come out before now. i mean there is a ton of incriminating evidence against suge. and
carefully piecing everything together these last 2 days i really dont see any other plausible or
logical conclusion that you could come to except that suge hired someone to kill pac and biggie.
i agree with the people who say it is silly to speculate. and im sorry for my long winded venting.
but this has poured salt and tobasco sauce into an old wound and opened it up again. and it hurts
like hell. it really has reopened a lot of emotions we wanted to lose forever. i guess its that we just
miss our friend, our homboy. and its hard for me or others around me to contain our emotions.so i
apologize. but believe me this hurts. somehow i (we)have to move on again. somehow we have
quit speculating and thinking about this. no matter what we do, no matter who did it, there is
NOTHING we can do to bring pac back. we have to put faith in two things. one, that pac is in a
better place and we will see him again and 2)that the people responsible for his death will spend
eternity in hell. cause thats where they belong. once again, thanks for listening. i gotta check out
for a few weeks and to focus on the future. ill check back again, i just don't know when.

[Trauma-san]

Yup, Yup... No Matter What Hard Happens In Your Life, If You Believe In God's Promise Of Eternal Life, The REAL John 3:16, To Hell With Stone Cold

And Believe In "Divine Retribution" (The Idea That God Will Reward And Punish All Deeds, Eventually), Then It'll Get You Through All The Hard Times, All The Friends And Family You Lose, And All The Beautiful And Horrible Things You See....

I'll Check That Article Out... I Recommend Peeps Just Go To Like Wal-Mart And Read It On The Stand, If You Can't Afford It....

Peace

[Eric (Guest)]

somebody should scan up article on the net...
how big is the article??

[Don Seer]

I'd do it if I could... I have 3 major obstacles.

1) No Rolling Stone Mag over here yet (give it a fortnight to hit the UK)
2) No Scanner
3) No Space for scanner

[Makaveli]

daaammn. Gotta somehow get dat issue. Of course always when Suge is mentioned to be a suspect in Pac's murder always 2 things come up: Pac leavin tha Row and the money. But that's why everybody's in this biz: to get dough. Plus there were rumors that Suge didn't pay Pac, that he was always broke and after his death Suge even claimed Pac owed him money. I think Suge was just afraid of 1.)losin his last real artist 2.)a lawsuit forcing him to give Pac his dough so maybe hiring a killer was way cheaper...

[lee]

ohh thats so horrible ... i just been thinking y'know how it was meant to be a guy called Orlando who killed Pac , i was always thought it was him until i read this post ( i have'nt read the article yet) but now its kinda got me to think .... firstly it was all supposed start with some crip guy stealing a death row guy s chain but now that i've thought about it they coulda just made that shit up !!! i never thought of it like that b4 , then fuck it that whole story bout the Orlando guy was probably made up .. i mean it was only Death Row employees that gave that sort of evidence ... and if alot of them said it and there was really no one to disagree with them .... but i still don't understand why Suge would KILL Pac i mean even if he was gonna leave the Row Why kill him ?He didn't kill Snoop or Dre ..

"and yes the murder of tupac goes much deeper than just wanting to make money off pac's unreleased music."

This bit i really don't understand ...

... Also i don't understand how 2Pacs mum is still doing business with Suge ... does she know this

Damn i looked everywhere 4 that Rolling stone mag b4 i went into work 2day (and i work in the middle of a city) and the only thing i could find was a rolling stone with destinys child on the front and no Suge/2Pac article Is this last months European version or what Does any1 know it was dated 24 may

[lee]

ohh thats so horrible ... i just been thinking y'know how it was meant to be a guy called Orlando who killed Pac , i was always thought it was him until i read this post ( i have'nt read the article yet) but now its kinda got me to think .... firstly it was all supposed start with some crip guy stealing a death row guy s chain but now that i've thought about it they coulda just made that shit up !!! i never thought of it like that b4 , then fuck it that whole story bout the Orlando guy was probably made up .. i mean it was only Death Row employees that gave that sort of evidence ... and if alot of them said it and there was really no one to disagree with them .... but i still don't understand why Suge would KILL Pac i mean even if he was gonna leave the Row Why kill him ?He didn't kill Snoop or Dre ..

"and yes the murder of tupac goes much deeper than just wanting to make money off pac's unreleased music."

This bit i really don't understand ...

... Also i don't understand how 2Pacs mum is still doing business with Suge ... does she know this

Damn i looked everywhere 4 that Rolling stone mag b4 i went into work 2day (and i work in the middle of a city) and the only thing i could find was a rolling stone with destinys child on the front and no Suge/2Pac article Is this last months European version or what Does any1 know it was dated 24 may

[Sikotic™]

I don't know if anyone else mentioned it yey but Suge told Pac not to wear his bullet proof vest. For what? He wore it all the time. Why now all of a sudden he was told not to wear it?

[Top-Dogg2001]

Actually pac's bodygaurd said pac rarely wore his vest and he had to beg him to wear it. Suge probably told him not to wear it because it was probably hot.

[techniec]

yo yo peep this brothers and sisters

i live in torornto and we get the rolling stone article,

i was at blockbuster ( video store), and tehy sell magazines, so i browes thru them and i saw the rolling stone wit the rock on the cover and at the top of the cover it said THE MURDER OF NOTOTRIOUS BIG- SUGE, THE CRIPS AND THE LAPD (or something like that_) i didnt buy the magazine, but i read the entire muthaphukkin thing right there,

im sorry but there was 2 much facts and info for me to post but here are SOME of the key points

- there were dozens of LAPD cops who had a higher allegiance to suge knight and the bloods

- the police sketch of big's suspect is identcal to a man named amir muhamed, who is a friend of david mack, a cop/blood friend of suge

- snoop, after the 1998 incident, when he got chin checked by some of suges boys after a concert, told cops at the station that he knew hwo killed pac. who said the cops, snoop replied it was suge.

i walked home 20 min after i left the store, that shit creeped me out, fuck suge fuck that muthaphukka
i hope he burns in hell,

you know what?

why doesnt snoop get sum long beach crips to X out suge?

[Sikotic™]

Cause Snoop ain't stupid and wants to live to aee another day.

[lee]

whats chin checked ?

[Jay_ay_Beee (Guest)]

Just means beaten up