THE WEST HAS FELL OFF, THIS IS WHY!

[The Black Bossalini]

its all got to do wit beats, think about it, obv the 90s was the best for hip hop & in the west. dr dre productions wer off the hook, daz was the best producr i would say in 96/97. u expect dre to produce classics for whoevr but now ther nutn compard 2 bak then, daz aint producn that much and is nutn compard 2 wat he done bak then too. the same can be said about dj pooh, cold187, qd3 who dont produce no more, johhny j who produces for an austrilian rapr, not american anymor, mike mosley was tight too but not anymor, i cant think of any1 else at the moment.

ther all tryn difrnt things & its not workn, fans kno wat they wana hear & they wana hear beats that they'l remembr & that can be considered classics. new producrs are comn up but ther not as gd as the guys that i hav mentiond above wen they startd off.

wat u think? u think all these producrs should go bak 2 old ways?

[JnbDubCee]

only pac could rip johnny j man.

scott storch can make some classic wc bangers.

where quik at?

fred wreck can definitely bang some hot shit.

meech, lt hutton, battlecat, j-ro, jelly roll, rick rock can definitely bring some heat.

cant wait to hear the next shit from mr porter, teek the beatsmith and dee underdue - these niggaz killed gba.


>> bottom line, i dont think any producer will ever be able to recapture the classic shit from 92-98, that was a unique era man, but the catz out now definitely have the potential to bring their own heat and create a new generation of classics.

[pootypooty]

In a way I agree with you.  What makes Dre so great particularly with the artists that he has broken in the past is the fact that he pulled double duty of being both producer and A&R.  He actually took the time to develop and fine tune these artists to fit his productions. 

What the new generation of West Coast emcees seem to lack is proper artist development.  Don't get me wrong, I've heard a song or two from a lot of dope up-and-coming rappers on the left side, but they're lacking something.  I hear the potential, but it just lacks that wholeness, whether in the overall song itself, the production, the voice, charisma, etc. but it isn't hitting me head on like the first time I heard Nas, Snoop, Jay-Z or Eminem over a dope Dre or Premier beat. 

A lot of these new artists aren't being properly educated and challenged to exceed what they're already capable of.  No one is pushing rappers to better themselves, skillwise; songwriting, hook writing, a good ear for picking beats to fit the emotion and concept of a song, etc.  I mean new rappers are already full of themselves when they first start out, and that's part of the problem because they're only hearing themselves without any constructive criticism and coaching. This is where good A&R comes in.  Part of their job is to develop and better what the artist already brings to the table. A good A&R can marry the skills between a certain rapper with a certain producer to help break them through. A great producer can make a mediocre rapper a great rapper if properly developed.  It's one thing being a dope rapper with hot lines here and there.  It's quite another being a dope rapper with hot lines consistently for a whole album.  Artist development takes time.  Some artists will peak sooner than others, but regardless everyone needs to put in work to get anything out of it. 

Right now part of the problem is that there are too many dope artists with potential and not enough dope A&R's on the West.  Another thing too is that the South and Midwest are popping off like crazy, so the $$ for artist development resources reside in those areas at the moment, which is why they're not checking for West or East artists at the moment.  It's a cycle though, because until they deplete and kill off their resources in those respective regions when it ceases to make profit like it used to, someone will pick up and move shop to the East & West to scoop up the hotbed of hungry talent just waiting for their chance to pop off. 

[Skeptic]

who is the rapper Johnny J produces for now?

[The Black Bossalini]

only pac could rip johnny j man.

scott storch can make some classic wc bangers.

where quik at?

fred wreck can definitely bang some hot shit.

meech, lt hutton, battlecat, j-ro, jelly roll, rick rock can definitely bring some heat.

cant wait to hear the next shit from mr porter, teek the beatsmith and dee underdue - these niggaz killed gba.


>> bottom line, i dont think any producer will ever be able to recapture the classic shit from 92-98, that was a unique era man, but the catz out now definitely have the potential to bring their own heat and create a new generation of classics.

those producrs stil got it but they aint big as dre or daz. scot storch is big and so is quik, they both stil got it. daz needs 2 b in the studio for a long time & try 2 go bak 2 old ways, this is wer he was best at.

[Bch]

maybe modern day music isnt good for you bosssalini, in the 90s producers were sample based


 

this topics been discussed a grip.. its not the producers, its not the artists its the powers that be at the top

[HEC]

Daz needs to get his mixing game straight, back at Death Row every track he produced was heat, and then even after he left on his first 2 albums even though alot of those tracks were recorded while he was still at Death Row were also great productions. He then hooked up with Mike Dean and his sound even went up a notch but after that around say 2003 he started being very inconsistent. I know he was using this dude Ivan Johnson as a coproducer alot lately and they came out with some dope music but again very inconsistent. His best production of recent times was on Kurupts "Same Day Different Shit" in 2006.

[TAKEMONEYENT]

its fell off because people dont buy the music! west coast has got a strong fanbase.. but there broke

[Dopeisjay]

I dnt think they should all go back to theyre old way's..
that music had it's time and era.. it has to evolve..
and for the reason.. why the west is down.. is do to the fact.. that right now people are into simple dance music.. like that soulja boy.. and shit.. which sux but thats life..
although the west has the most talented producers.. it's just we need somethin new..
and i see the west on an upswing right now..
i honestly view the west on a come back..

[BOX5 the best poster on this site yell]

lol@this topic again,and again muthafuccas name'n the same people, like all we had was gangsta shit and g-funk hahaha yall lame as fucc yell

[Snoopafly-1986]

I dnt think they should all go back to theyre old way's..
that music had it's time and era.. it has to evolve..
and for the reason.. why the west is down.. is do to the fact.. that right now people are into simple dance music.. like that soulja boy.. and shit.. which sux but thats life..
although the west has the most talented producers.. it's just we need somethin new..
and i see the west on an upswing right now..
i honestly view the west on a come back..

props

everybody knows the west has great producers let's wait till some of these albums drop and then see how this year goes

that soulja boy and all that is just music for the moment he will be gone in a few years anybody remember Chingy?

[BOX5 the best poster on this site yell]

anybody remember skee-lo, anybody remember la nash? anybody remember paper boy?, stop acting like everything we made out here last long as well,hell how much props do west coast fans show the la dream team? do yall even know who romeo and rhyme was? suga and spice? alot of muthafuccas out here have no history? and when i named them cats i talking bout from a world wide view,just like yall doing with these artist now yell

[jbel1021]

I dnt think they should all go back to theyre old way's..
that music had it's time and era.. it has to evolve..
and for the reason.. why the west is down.. is do to the fact.. that right now people are into simple dance music.. like that soulja boy.. and shit.. which sux but thats life..
although the west has the most talented producers.. it's just we need somethin new..
and i see the west on an upswing right now..
i honestly view the west on a come back..

props

everybody knows the west has great producers let's wait till some of these albums drop and then see how this year goes

that soulja boy and all that is just music for the moment he will be gone in a few years anybody remember Chingy?

lmao

[Bch]

yea.. couple years ago he did pullin me back with tyrese huge record.. he worked with dj quik too... hes good at makin songs for ladies and the club he'll be back

[LodiDodi]

2 thoughts:

1) West coast music didn't really fall off, it just stopped being a dominant force in the mainstream and on radio/video.  1992-1998 is a good range of that classic era, probably peaking around 1995-96 like the other poster said.  1998 had albums like Streetz Iz A Mutha and Rhythm-al-ism that maintained the classic sound.  After that came Chronic 2001, which still fit in the west coast category but was obviously trying to change the soundscape.  It had traditional west coat synth/bass/funk elements but only in limited amounts, and shifted towards a more symphonic-type sound.

2) The change in the way tradiional west coast rap sounded was a combination of different things:  2Pac's death, downfall of Death Row, rise in mainstream popularity of Southern rap, west coast artists/producers trying to cash in on current trends (i.e. dirty south, bling era), the list goes on and on.


The bottom line is, the west coast sound doesn't make money anymore.  That's why it's not what it used to be.  Making something danceable for the clubs = radio play = record sales = ITunes sales = profit.   10 years ago, Snoop would've been laughed at for releasing something like Sexual Eruption, but today its one of his biggest hits in years.  The blame doesn't fall on the artist, it falls on the younger listeners and their taste in music.  Basically, their taste in music sucks.