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Quote from: 7even on March 02, 2008, 04:56:10 PMQuote from: Eleven 2 Three on March 02, 2008, 01:31:11 PMQuote from: Real American on February 29, 2008, 03:05:07 PMWho gives a fuck what kind of music he listens to?With the race for the presidency practically being all about personality instead of about political positions, what else could tell you more about the personality behind the face?However, am I the only one who thinks Barack really exposed himself with this one? He listens to gangstarappers and then says he doesn't like the message about mistreating women, glorifying wealth and preaching violence. Umm... How much of a hypocrit can you be? I really fail to see the swag in that one. That's chameleon behavior. That's slickness. That's failing to pass judgement and act accordingly. Is that really the guy you're hoping to become the most important man in the world for the next 8 years?I listen to Ice Cube and I strongly denounce racism (even towards whites). At the end of the day it's music, to have fun listening to, those guys don't have to be righteous preachers or role-models.Exactly.
Quote from: Eleven 2 Three on March 02, 2008, 01:31:11 PMQuote from: Real American on February 29, 2008, 03:05:07 PMWho gives a fuck what kind of music he listens to?With the race for the presidency practically being all about personality instead of about political positions, what else could tell you more about the personality behind the face?However, am I the only one who thinks Barack really exposed himself with this one? He listens to gangstarappers and then says he doesn't like the message about mistreating women, glorifying wealth and preaching violence. Umm... How much of a hypocrit can you be? I really fail to see the swag in that one. That's chameleon behavior. That's slickness. That's failing to pass judgement and act accordingly. Is that really the guy you're hoping to become the most important man in the world for the next 8 years?I listen to Ice Cube and I strongly denounce racism (even towards whites). At the end of the day it's music, to have fun listening to, those guys don't have to be righteous preachers or role-models.
Quote from: Real American on February 29, 2008, 03:05:07 PMWho gives a fuck what kind of music he listens to?With the race for the presidency practically being all about personality instead of about political positions, what else could tell you more about the personality behind the face?However, am I the only one who thinks Barack really exposed himself with this one? He listens to gangstarappers and then says he doesn't like the message about mistreating women, glorifying wealth and preaching violence. Umm... How much of a hypocrit can you be? I really fail to see the swag in that one. That's chameleon behavior. That's slickness. That's failing to pass judgement and act accordingly. Is that really the guy you're hoping to become the most important man in the world for the next 8 years?
Who gives a fuck what kind of music he listens to?
Quote from: Foday-muh'fuckin-Sankoh, bitch! on March 02, 2008, 05:01:52 PMQuote from: 7even on March 02, 2008, 04:56:10 PMQuote from: Eleven 2 Three on March 02, 2008, 01:31:11 PMQuote from: Real American on February 29, 2008, 03:05:07 PMWho gives a fuck what kind of music he listens to?With the race for the presidency practically being all about personality instead of about political positions, what else could tell you more about the personality behind the face?However, am I the only one who thinks Barack really exposed himself with this one? He listens to gangstarappers and then says he doesn't like the message about mistreating women, glorifying wealth and preaching violence. Umm... How much of a hypocrit can you be? I really fail to see the swag in that one. That's chameleon behavior. That's slickness. That's failing to pass judgement and act accordingly. Is that really the guy you're hoping to become the most important man in the world for the next 8 years?I listen to Ice Cube and I strongly denounce racism (even towards whites). At the end of the day it's music, to have fun listening to, those guys don't have to be righteous preachers or role-models.Exactly.Exactly. Can't censor art or free speech baby.
Quote from: RETURN OF THE OVERFIEND on March 02, 2008, 08:41:12 PMQuote from: Foday-muh'fuckin-Sankoh, bitch! on March 02, 2008, 05:01:52 PMQuote from: 7even on March 02, 2008, 04:56:10 PMQuote from: Eleven 2 Three on March 02, 2008, 01:31:11 PMQuote from: Real American on February 29, 2008, 03:05:07 PMWho gives a fuck what kind of music he listens to?With the race for the presidency practically being all about personality instead of about political positions, what else could tell you more about the personality behind the face?However, am I the only one who thinks Barack really exposed himself with this one? He listens to gangstarappers and then says he doesn't like the message about mistreating women, glorifying wealth and preaching violence. Umm... How much of a hypocrit can you be? I really fail to see the swag in that one. That's chameleon behavior. That's slickness. That's failing to pass judgement and act accordingly. Is that really the guy you're hoping to become the most important man in the world for the next 8 years?I listen to Ice Cube and I strongly denounce racism (even towards whites). At the end of the day it's music, to have fun listening to, those guys don't have to be righteous preachers or role-models.Exactly.Exactly. Can't censor art or free speech baby.What do freedom of speech and censorship have to do with this?
I didn't say you always have to agree with the music you listen to, but the way he speaks, shouldn't violence and mysoginy totally disgust Obama to a level that makes such music unenjoyable to him, after all that he claims he stands for? That's the whole point. I won't be listening to a song from some rapper going in detail about how he's raped some woman (I don't know if there's any such song, but it wouldn't surprise me). I thought Eminem's song Kim was terrifying. So if Obama is really as strong about his beliefs and ideas as he makes you think he is, how can he chill to a Jigga album, singing along to "nigga whaaaat, nigga whooooo?" only afterwards recapping "Well, they do use the N word a little too frequently" and "something I'm really worried about: it's always talking about material things." If you don't like that, how are you going to enjoy the music, when that's all the music is about? Yeah, Jay got flow, but why not listen to Little Brother if you're about the more loving stuff? Why not dig just a little deeper and find something more fitting with who you are and what you stand for?
So if Obama is really as strong about his beliefs and ideas as he makes you think he is, how can he chill to a Jigga album, singing along to "nigga whaaaat, nigga whooooo?" only afterwards recapping "Well, they do use the N word a little too frequently" and "something I'm really worried about: it's always talking about material things." If you don't like that, how are you going to enjoy the music, when that's all the music is about? who you are and what you stand for?
Yeah, Jay got flow, but why not listen to Little Brother if you're about the more loving stuff? Why not dig just a little deeper and find something more fitting with who you are and what you stand for?
Quote from: RETURN OF THE OVERFIEND on March 02, 2008, 08:41:12 PMQuote from: Foday-muh'fuckin-Sankoh, bitch! on March 02, 2008, 05:01:52 PMQuote from: 7even on March 02, 2008, 04:56:10 PMQuote from: Eleven 2 Three on March 02, 2008, 01:31:11 PMQuote from: Real American on February 29, 2008, 03:05:07 PMWho gives a fuck what kind of music he listens to?With the race for the presidency practically being all about personality instead of about political positions, what else could tell you more about the personality behind the face?However, am I the only one who thinks Barack really exposed himself with this one? He listens to gangstarappers and then says he doesn't like the message about mistreating women, glorifying wealth and preaching violence. Umm... How much of a hypocrit can you be? I really fail to see the swag in that one. That's chameleon behavior. That's slickness. That's failing to pass judgement and act accordingly. Is that really the guy you're hoping to become the most important man in the world for the next 8 years?I listen to Ice Cube and I strongly denounce racism (even towards whites). At the end of the day it's music, to have fun listening to, those guys don't have to be righteous preachers or role-models.Exactly.Exactly. Can't censor art or free speech baby.What do freedom of speech and censorship have to do with this?I didn't say you always have to agree with the music you listen to, but the way he speaks, shouldn't violence and mysoginy totally disgust Obama to a level that makes such music unenjoyable to him, after all that he claims he stands for? That's the whole point. I won't be listening to a song from some rapper going in detail about how he's raped some woman (I don't know if there's any such song, but it wouldn't surprise me). I thought Eminem's song Kim was terrifying. So if Obama is really as strong about his beliefs and ideas as he makes you think he is, how can he chill to a Jigga album, singing along to "nigga whaaaat, nigga whooooo?" only afterwards recapping "Well, they do use the N word a little too frequently" and "something I'm really worried about: it's always talking about material things." If you don't like that, how are you going to enjoy the music, when that's all the music is about? Yeah, Jay got flow, but why not listen to Little Brother if you're about the more loving stuff? Why not dig just a little deeper and find something more fitting with who you are and what you stand for?I don't believe Obama on this one. His iPod probably is loaded with Isley Brothers and Marvin Gaye, but if he really did enjoy hip-hop he would have been able to come up with some better answers. He probably did hear Jay's album once or twice, but that's about it. I don't buy it. Either Obama has no backbone, or he's a liar. Take your pick, gentlemen!
Quote from: Eleven 2 Three on March 03, 2008, 03:01:28 AMQuote from: RETURN OF THE OVERFIEND on March 02, 2008, 08:41:12 PMCan't censor art or free speech baby.What do freedom of speech and censorship have to do with this?Everything, that is the domain of hip-hop, its expression.
Quote from: RETURN OF THE OVERFIEND on March 02, 2008, 08:41:12 PMCan't censor art or free speech baby.What do freedom of speech and censorship have to do with this?
Can't censor art or free speech baby.
Quote from: Eleven 2 Three on March 03, 2008, 03:01:28 AMI didn't say you always have to agree with the music you listen to, but the way he speaks, shouldn't violence and mysoginy totally disgust Obama to a level that makes such music unenjoyable to him, after all that he claims he stands for? That's the whole point. I won't be listening to a song from some rapper going in detail about how he's raped some woman (I don't know if there's any such song, but it wouldn't surprise me). I thought Eminem's song Kim was terrifying. So if Obama is really as strong about his beliefs and ideas as he makes you think he is, how can he chill to a Jigga album, singing along to "nigga whaaaat, nigga whooooo?" only afterwards recapping "Well, they do use the N word a little too frequently" and "something I'm really worried about: it's always talking about material things." If you don't like that, how are you going to enjoy the music, when that's all the music is about? Yeah, Jay got flow, but why not listen to Little Brother if you're about the more loving stuff? Why not dig just a little deeper and find something more fitting with who you are and what you stand for?Yes you are, thats exactly what you are saying, LOL listen to yourself.
So if Obama is really as strong about his beliefs and ideas as he makes you think he is, how can he chill to a Jigga album, singing along to "nigga whaaaat, nigga whooooo?" only afterwards recapping "Well, they do use the N word a little too frequently"?
Quote from: Eleven 2 Three on March 03, 2008, 03:01:28 AM Yeah, Jay got flow, but why not listen to Little Brother if you're about the more loving stuff? Why not dig just a little deeper and find something more fitting with who you are and what you stand for?So you are saying paint yourself into a neat picture? Define yourself until you got a neat dictionary definition. Thats the lamest shit I have ever heard and that mentality is the problem with soo much in the world.
Obama is 46... is too old to have rocked a PE tape and so why do I expect him to get into Hip-Hop. No presidental candidate has even seen Hip-Hop except to bash it... Bill Clinton included.
I totally see where you're coming from, and as for struggling and making it big, they sure are some great examples of entrepreneurship. Thing is, Obama says he likes their music, yet all I heard in Jay-Z's music last time I checked was exactly what Obama denounces. Why would he listen to that, if he's so much against the content? Indeed, I'm not the type to support misogynism. That alone makes me an outsider within the hiphop scene. I don't listen to a whole lot of hip-hop anymore and my taste has changed greatly over the past few years (you'll remember me praising Onyx for their great albums in the 90s). I'm a jazz slash folk music man now, but when I listen to hip-hop it'll be Common, De La Soul, Nas, The Roots, Opgezwolle, Jeru The Damaja, Little Brother, Dangerdoom, Madvillain, Boogie Down Productions. Those are the only hip-hop artists in my Last FM top30 - other than that it's pretty much all jazz and some pop/folk classics. No misogyny there.
Eleven 2 Three, you been saying way too much stupid shit lately. What, you trying to set a record for how low can crackers go? You need to think more before you speak, before Allah is forced to cut out your tongue and shove it up your sphincter, so that the next time you shit, you shit on your tongue.
Quote from: Eleven 2 Three on March 02, 2008, 01:31:11 PMHowever, am I the only one who thinks Barack really exposed himself with this one? He listens to gangstarappers and then says he doesn't like the message about mistreating women, glorifying wealth and preaching violence. Umm... How much of a hypocrit can you be? I really fail to see the swag in that one. That's chameleon behavior. That's slickness. That's failing to pass judgement and act accordingly. Is that really the guy you're hoping to become the most important man in the world for the next 8 years?He said he listens to these guys, but that doesn't mean he'll necessarily have to agree with everything. I have listened to gangsta rap a lot and I still do at times and I never once agreed with the mysoginism and the glorification of violence prevalent in that genre. That is because there were/are other things to like the music for; it can get too much and there are songs that actually manage to get on my nerves. It sure is slightly ambivalent, but I wouldn't label it "hypocritical"; I got a lot of fucking respect for Jigga for example, cause he made 3 great albums, a lot of great songs and he's an impressive example of a black entrepreneur who started from scratch and has built up something huge. Still, he's done shit songs too and his over-the-top materialism can be annoying. I think generally, you'll just have to draw the line for yourself and decide when things go too far in terms of stuff you disagree with and how much you will take as long as there is a side you like about it too. In Obama's case, it seems to me that he's made a valid point in both paying respect to the positive sides of this music and critisizing the negative sides. The subject is too complex to just "pass judgement" in my opinion, and that's why I agree with him.I'm not trying to attack you in any way, but I'm curious: Assuming that you're not the type to support mysoginism, do you listen to Biggie? Snoop? Dre? If you think violence should be strictly condemned, do you listen to Pac? Eminem? Big L?
However, am I the only one who thinks Barack really exposed himself with this one? He listens to gangstarappers and then says he doesn't like the message about mistreating women, glorifying wealth and preaching violence. Umm... How much of a hypocrit can you be? I really fail to see the swag in that one. That's chameleon behavior. That's slickness. That's failing to pass judgement and act accordingly. Is that really the guy you're hoping to become the most important man in the world for the next 8 years?
Seriously, answer me this:Quote from: Eleven 2 Three on March 03, 2008, 03:01:28 AMSo if Obama is really as strong about his beliefs and ideas as he makes you think he is, how can he chill to a Jigga album, singing along to "nigga whaaaat, nigga whooooo?" only afterwards recapping "Well, they do use the N word a little too frequently"?That's the same as saying: "Violence is wrong, killing people is worse, but the Kim track by Eminem sure is the shit"Huh?
If Obama, well really anyone for that matter, is restricted to listen to music that isn't against their beliefs well then you're limited to what you can listen to.