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Dre having someone else writing a song for his dead brother is weaksauce too real talk
Quote from: GottiValentino wants to bang AudreyBitoni on March 26, 2008, 10:03:39 AMDre having someone else writing a song for his dead brother is weaksauce too real talki see your point since it's such a personal song for dre, i thought it was kind of disappointing too that he used a ghost writer for a song with such a concept behind it.but if you look at it differently like i said before, the final result is good, so you could ask yourself, what's more important?we both know that Dre isn't really a rapper.
Quote from: D~Nice on March 26, 2008, 09:55:09 AMQuote from: Dre-Day - Sniper of the Kill Jimmy Iovine Movement on March 26, 2008, 09:47:46 AMQuote from: D~Nice on March 26, 2008, 09:41:52 AMIt also immediately makes me 2nd guess any song that artist does from now on if they really wrote it. Like Still DRE. One of the biggest west coast anthems of all time written by Jay-Z. yes it's contradicting, but i don't see the problem; the song is good so that's what matters right? well at least to me it does.by the way, i don't remember Dre saying that he wrote it all by himself? or did i misunderstood you (in that case, you probably just meant that you thought dre written it, or his usual "partners"?)Dre never says who writes songs for him. Yeah that Jay wrote that was surprising at first to me. But the more I listen to it I could hear Jay's rhyme patterns all within that song. Yeah if it's good it's good. No doubt. But what makes the song good is more my thing. If for example you like Still DRE for the beat= Dre, for the lyrics= Jay. So lyrics wise that song was cool, and I give Jay Z credit for that, not Dre.then again, what was the problem, why were you rolling your eyes?
Quote from: Dre-Day - Sniper of the Kill Jimmy Iovine Movement on March 26, 2008, 09:47:46 AMQuote from: D~Nice on March 26, 2008, 09:41:52 AMIt also immediately makes me 2nd guess any song that artist does from now on if they really wrote it. Like Still DRE. One of the biggest west coast anthems of all time written by Jay-Z. yes it's contradicting, but i don't see the problem; the song is good so that's what matters right? well at least to me it does.by the way, i don't remember Dre saying that he wrote it all by himself? or did i misunderstood you (in that case, you probably just meant that you thought dre written it, or his usual "partners"?)Dre never says who writes songs for him. Yeah that Jay wrote that was surprising at first to me. But the more I listen to it I could hear Jay's rhyme patterns all within that song. Yeah if it's good it's good. No doubt. But what makes the song good is more my thing. If for example you like Still DRE for the beat= Dre, for the lyrics= Jay. So lyrics wise that song was cool, and I give Jay Z credit for that, not Dre.
Quote from: D~Nice on March 26, 2008, 09:41:52 AMIt also immediately makes me 2nd guess any song that artist does from now on if they really wrote it. Like Still DRE. One of the biggest west coast anthems of all time written by Jay-Z. yes it's contradicting, but i don't see the problem; the song is good so that's what matters right? well at least to me it does.by the way, i don't remember Dre saying that he wrote it all by himself? or did i misunderstood you (in that case, you probably just meant that you thought dre written it, or his usual "partners"?)
It also immediately makes me 2nd guess any song that artist does from now on if they really wrote it. Like Still DRE. One of the biggest west coast anthems of all time written by Jay-Z.
Quote from: Dre-Day - Sniper of the Kill Jimmy Iovine Movement on March 26, 2008, 10:42:45 AMQuote from: GottiValentino wants to bang AudreyBitoni on March 26, 2008, 10:03:39 AMDre having someone else writing a song for his dead brother is weaksauce too real talki see your point since it's such a personal song for dre, i thought it was kind of disappointing too that he used a ghost writer for a song with such a concept behind it.but if you look at it differently like i said before, the final result is good, so you could ask yourself, what's more important?we both know that Dre isn't really a rapper.im not a rapper either but if something like that ever happened to me I know I could come up with something same thing with Diddy with the song about Biggie he could have wrote something for once in his life tooI don't consider them MCs but they are rappers its a difference
Quote from: GottiValentino wants to bang AudreyBitoni on March 26, 2008, 10:51:59 AMQuote from: Dre-Day - Sniper of the Kill Jimmy Iovine Movement on March 26, 2008, 10:42:45 AMQuote from: GottiValentino wants to bang AudreyBitoni on March 26, 2008, 10:03:39 AMDre having someone else writing a song for his dead brother is weaksauce too real talki see your point since it's such a personal song for dre, i thought it was kind of disappointing too that he used a ghost writer for a song with such a concept behind it.but if you look at it differently like i said before, the final result is good, so you could ask yourself, what's more important?we both know that Dre isn't really a rapper.im not a rapper either but if something like that ever happened to me I know I could come up with something same thing with Diddy with the song about Biggie he could have wrote something for once in his life tooI don't consider them MCs but they are rappers its a differencewho says that he couldn't come up with anything?besides,just because he used a ghost writer doesn't mean he did have no control over the lyrics.i respect that you would do it differently, but you also have to respect that he did it his way; it's his brother after all.so if this is the way that he's satisfied with, then so be it.that doesn't mean you don't have the right to criticise it though.
I agree with Cube, fuck a ghostwriter, like the other dude said, if an artist is just reciting what someone else wrote down on a piece of paper, he has no business being an mc. If snoop feels he can't write anything good anymore, he should retire and let the ghostwriters rap. Did dre ever write anything?
This isn't fair. In some cases a guy might be in the studio with his boy and say "yo if you aint usin that verse let me get that". But when the word gets out all the fans say is 'oh he doesn't write his own shiet'. So lets say Daz wrote 1 song is his entire life for Snoop, Daz could go around sayin 'man Snoop was only hot cuz I was writin for him'.Kurupt, Goldie Loc, and Game are ghostwriters. No one ghostwrites their shiet.
Quote from: Dre-Day - Sniper of the Kill Jimmy Iovine Movement on March 26, 2008, 02:12:35 AMQuote from: D~Nice on March 25, 2008, 05:52:41 PMQuote from: Dre-Day - Sniper of the Kill Jimmy Iovine Movement on March 25, 2008, 12:48:35 PMQuote from: D~Nice on March 24, 2008, 10:40:06 PMI don't think you get much bigger then Dre and Eazy using ghostwriters. Ice Cube pretty much summed up his thoughts on ghostwriters on Spittin Pollaseeds:Fuck a ghost writerSittin in the back, of the studioTryin to write a nigga rapIt's the muppet show, most niggas need a&r(a&r)To tell them how to fuck a hoeIce Cube, true mc, write everything I say, even back in the dayImma spit it, how i feel it, fuck a gimmick You can keep your catchy lines, imma 'bout to write a rhyme If you got backpack, tryin act blackThink you know the culture, you'z a fuckin vultureYou never a approached the mic You dress like a dike, sayin what you don't likeWho deserves five mics, who deserves twoBut the nigga wit two still can serve youThis West Coast, flow is different in the EastBut in ain't no different in the streetswhat are you trying to say with the quote, that you agree with him about ghostwriters, or that you thought it would be interesting to share Cube's thoughts?Both.in that case why?i mean, for me, it doesn't matter; as long as the music is good i have no problem with it.I'm old school. I respect the things Eazy and Dre brought to the game. But as far as mcs, they do not score high for me. Especially when mcs play it off like they wrote the whole thing. To think Puff Daddy could not take the time to write a song about his best friend on Missing You and got ghostwriters is weak IMO. Now if you got someone to help you a bit, cool. I get the vibe at times that DOC and Snoop co write alot of material. That I don't have a problem with. But to just recite what someone else wrote, I can't get with that. MCing and ghostwriting don't go hand in hand to me. If it ever came out that KRS or Rakim had a ghostwriter for their favorite songs they would be considered frauds.
Quote from: D~Nice on March 25, 2008, 05:52:41 PMQuote from: Dre-Day - Sniper of the Kill Jimmy Iovine Movement on March 25, 2008, 12:48:35 PMQuote from: D~Nice on March 24, 2008, 10:40:06 PMI don't think you get much bigger then Dre and Eazy using ghostwriters. Ice Cube pretty much summed up his thoughts on ghostwriters on Spittin Pollaseeds:Fuck a ghost writerSittin in the back, of the studioTryin to write a nigga rapIt's the muppet show, most niggas need a&r(a&r)To tell them how to fuck a hoeIce Cube, true mc, write everything I say, even back in the dayImma spit it, how i feel it, fuck a gimmick You can keep your catchy lines, imma 'bout to write a rhyme If you got backpack, tryin act blackThink you know the culture, you'z a fuckin vultureYou never a approached the mic You dress like a dike, sayin what you don't likeWho deserves five mics, who deserves twoBut the nigga wit two still can serve youThis West Coast, flow is different in the EastBut in ain't no different in the streetswhat are you trying to say with the quote, that you agree with him about ghostwriters, or that you thought it would be interesting to share Cube's thoughts?Both.in that case why?i mean, for me, it doesn't matter; as long as the music is good i have no problem with it.
Quote from: Dre-Day - Sniper of the Kill Jimmy Iovine Movement on March 25, 2008, 12:48:35 PMQuote from: D~Nice on March 24, 2008, 10:40:06 PMI don't think you get much bigger then Dre and Eazy using ghostwriters. Ice Cube pretty much summed up his thoughts on ghostwriters on Spittin Pollaseeds:Fuck a ghost writerSittin in the back, of the studioTryin to write a nigga rapIt's the muppet show, most niggas need a&r(a&r)To tell them how to fuck a hoeIce Cube, true mc, write everything I say, even back in the dayImma spit it, how i feel it, fuck a gimmick You can keep your catchy lines, imma 'bout to write a rhyme If you got backpack, tryin act blackThink you know the culture, you'z a fuckin vultureYou never a approached the mic You dress like a dike, sayin what you don't likeWho deserves five mics, who deserves twoBut the nigga wit two still can serve youThis West Coast, flow is different in the EastBut in ain't no different in the streetswhat are you trying to say with the quote, that you agree with him about ghostwriters, or that you thought it would be interesting to share Cube's thoughts?Both.
Quote from: D~Nice on March 24, 2008, 10:40:06 PMI don't think you get much bigger then Dre and Eazy using ghostwriters. Ice Cube pretty much summed up his thoughts on ghostwriters on Spittin Pollaseeds:Fuck a ghost writerSittin in the back, of the studioTryin to write a nigga rapIt's the muppet show, most niggas need a&r(a&r)To tell them how to fuck a hoeIce Cube, true mc, write everything I say, even back in the dayImma spit it, how i feel it, fuck a gimmick You can keep your catchy lines, imma 'bout to write a rhyme If you got backpack, tryin act blackThink you know the culture, you'z a fuckin vultureYou never a approached the mic You dress like a dike, sayin what you don't likeWho deserves five mics, who deserves twoBut the nigga wit two still can serve youThis West Coast, flow is different in the EastBut in ain't no different in the streetswhat are you trying to say with the quote, that you agree with him about ghostwriters, or that you thought it would be interesting to share Cube's thoughts?
I don't think you get much bigger then Dre and Eazy using ghostwriters. Ice Cube pretty much summed up his thoughts on ghostwriters on Spittin Pollaseeds:Fuck a ghost writerSittin in the back, of the studioTryin to write a nigga rapIt's the muppet show, most niggas need a&r(a&r)To tell them how to fuck a hoeIce Cube, true mc, write everything I say, even back in the dayImma spit it, how i feel it, fuck a gimmick You can keep your catchy lines, imma 'bout to write a rhyme If you got backpack, tryin act blackThink you know the culture, you'z a fuckin vultureYou never a approached the mic You dress like a dike, sayin what you don't likeWho deserves five mics, who deserves twoBut the nigga wit two still can serve youThis West Coast, flow is different in the EastBut in ain't no different in the streets
people who rap other peoples lyrics like Dre, Puffy you cant take em serioulsy when they are rapping sometimes because its not coming from the heartI respect Kurupt, Crooked I, all these dudes are writing, freestyling it takes talent to do that Dnice speaking the real on this topic I agree with almost everything he said
Quote from: D~Nice on March 26, 2008, 08:19:18 AMQuote from: Dre-Day - Sniper of the Kill Jimmy Iovine Movement on March 26, 2008, 02:12:35 AMQuote from: D~Nice on March 25, 2008, 05:52:41 PMQuote from: Dre-Day - Sniper of the Kill Jimmy Iovine Movement on March 25, 2008, 12:48:35 PMQuote from: D~Nice on March 24, 2008, 10:40:06 PMI don't think you get much bigger then Dre and Eazy using ghostwriters. Ice Cube pretty much summed up his thoughts on ghostwriters on Spittin Pollaseeds:Fuck a ghost writerSittin in the back, of the studioTryin to write a nigga rapIt's the muppet show, most niggas need a&r(a&r)To tell them how to fuck a hoeIce Cube, true mc, write everything I say, even back in the dayImma spit it, how i feel it, fuck a gimmick You can keep your catchy lines, imma 'bout to write a rhyme If you got backpack, tryin act blackThink you know the culture, you'z a fuckin vultureYou never a approached the mic You dress like a dike, sayin what you don't likeWho deserves five mics, who deserves twoBut the nigga wit two still can serve youThis West Coast, flow is different in the EastBut in ain't no different in the streetswhat are you trying to say with the quote, that you agree with him about ghostwriters, or that you thought it would be interesting to share Cube's thoughts?Both.in that case why?i mean, for me, it doesn't matter; as long as the music is good i have no problem with it.I'm old school. I respect the things Eazy and Dre brought to the game. But as far as mcs, they do not score high for me. Especially when mcs play it off like they wrote the whole thing. To think Puff Daddy could not take the time to write a song about his best friend on Missing You and got ghostwriters is weak IMO. Now if you got someone to help you a bit, cool. I get the vibe at times that DOC and Snoop co write alot of material. That I don't have a problem with. But to just recite what someone else wrote, I can't get with that. MCing and ghostwriting don't go hand in hand to me. If it ever came out that KRS or Rakim had a ghostwriter for their favorite songs they would be considered frauds. i get what you saying my equal but they are not mc's!! they are entertainers who rap,it's a big difference, plus the song about big that sauce money wrote for puffy,puffy gave him all the things he wanted to express on record,sauce even gave puffy credit for the song too (didn't like wait'n on that royality money tho haha), and of course it would be bigger for krs and rakim to have ghostwriter's because they are the gold standards of lyricist in hip hop, and they claim the mc title to the fullest. that's just my take, i wouldn't put none of the guys who don't write as top mc's anyway yell
Quote from: BOX5 on March 26, 2008, 03:21:49 PMQuote from: D~Nice on March 26, 2008, 08:19:18 AMQuote from: Dre-Day - Sniper of the Kill Jimmy Iovine Movement on March 26, 2008, 02:12:35 AMQuote from: D~Nice on March 25, 2008, 05:52:41 PMQuote from: Dre-Day - Sniper of the Kill Jimmy Iovine Movement on March 25, 2008, 12:48:35 PMQuote from: D~Nice on March 24, 2008, 10:40:06 PMI don't think you get much bigger then Dre and Eazy using ghostwriters. Ice Cube pretty much summed up his thoughts on ghostwriters on Spittin Pollaseeds:Fuck a ghost writerSittin in the back, of the studioTryin to write a nigga rapIt's the muppet show, most niggas need a&r(a&r)To tell them how to fuck a hoeIce Cube, true mc, write everything I say, even back in the dayImma spit it, how i feel it, fuck a gimmick You can keep your catchy lines, imma 'bout to write a rhyme If you got backpack, tryin act blackThink you know the culture, you'z a fuckin vultureYou never a approached the mic You dress like a dike, sayin what you don't likeWho deserves five mics, who deserves twoBut the nigga wit two still can serve youThis West Coast, flow is different in the EastBut in ain't no different in the streetswhat are you trying to say with the quote, that you agree with him about ghostwriters, or that you thought it would be interesting to share Cube's thoughts?Both.in that case why?i mean, for me, it doesn't matter; as long as the music is good i have no problem with it.I'm old school. I respect the things Eazy and Dre brought to the game. But as far as mcs, they do not score high for me. Especially when mcs play it off like they wrote the whole thing. To think Puff Daddy could not take the time to write a song about his best friend on Missing You and got ghostwriters is weak IMO. Now if you got someone to help you a bit, cool. I get the vibe at times that DOC and Snoop co write alot of material. That I don't have a problem with. But to just recite what someone else wrote, I can't get with that. MCing and ghostwriting don't go hand in hand to me. If it ever came out that KRS or Rakim had a ghostwriter for their favorite songs they would be considered frauds. i get what you saying my equal but they are not mc's!! they are entertainers who rap,it's a big difference, plus the song about big that sauce money wrote for puffy,puffy gave him all the things he wanted to express on record,sauce even gave puffy credit for the song too (didn't like wait'n on that royality money tho haha), and of course it would be bigger for krs and rakim to have ghostwriter's because they are the gold standards of lyricist in hip hop, and they claim the mc title to the fullest. that's just my take, i wouldn't put none of the guys who don't write as top mc's anyway yellAgreed. Big ups to everyone who dropped some knowledge in this thread. I definitely would not put the artists I mentioned as top mcs, and it's funny to me because most of the artists I either know use ghostwriters or I even thought were using them I never considered them that high to begin with.
Quote from: D~Nice on March 26, 2008, 05:13:26 PMQuote from: BOX5 on March 26, 2008, 03:21:49 PMQuote from: D~Nice on March 26, 2008, 08:19:18 AMQuote from: Dre-Day - Sniper of the Kill Jimmy Iovine Movement on March 26, 2008, 02:12:35 AMQuote from: D~Nice on March 25, 2008, 05:52:41 PMQuote from: Dre-Day - Sniper of the Kill Jimmy Iovine Movement on March 25, 2008, 12:48:35 PMQuote from: D~Nice on March 24, 2008, 10:40:06 PMI don't think you get much bigger then Dre and Eazy using ghostwriters. Ice Cube pretty much summed up his thoughts on ghostwriters on Spittin Pollaseeds:Fuck a ghost writerSittin in the back, of the studioTryin to write a nigga rapIt's the muppet show, most niggas need a&r(a&r)To tell them how to fuck a hoeIce Cube, true mc, write everything I say, even back in the dayImma spit it, how i feel it, fuck a gimmick You can keep your catchy lines, imma 'bout to write a rhyme If you got backpack, tryin act blackThink you know the culture, you'z a fuckin vultureYou never a approached the mic You dress like a dike, sayin what you don't likeWho deserves five mics, who deserves twoBut the nigga wit two still can serve youThis West Coast, flow is different in the EastBut in ain't no different in the streetswhat are you trying to say with the quote, that you agree with him about ghostwriters, or that you thought it would be interesting to share Cube's thoughts?Both.in that case why?i mean, for me, it doesn't matter; as long as the music is good i have no problem with it.I'm old school. I respect the things Eazy and Dre brought to the game. But as far as mcs, they do not score high for me. Especially when mcs play it off like they wrote the whole thing. To think Puff Daddy could not take the time to write a song about his best friend on Missing You and got ghostwriters is weak IMO. Now if you got someone to help you a bit, cool. I get the vibe at times that DOC and Snoop co write alot of material. That I don't have a problem with. But to just recite what someone else wrote, I can't get with that. MCing and ghostwriting don't go hand in hand to me. If it ever came out that KRS or Rakim had a ghostwriter for their favorite songs they would be considered frauds. i get what you saying my equal but they are not mc's!! they are entertainers who rap,it's a big difference, plus the song about big that sauce money wrote for puffy,puffy gave him all the things he wanted to express on record,sauce even gave puffy credit for the song too (didn't like wait'n on that royality money tho haha), and of course it would be bigger for krs and rakim to have ghostwriter's because they are the gold standards of lyricist in hip hop, and they claim the mc title to the fullest. that's just my take, i wouldn't put none of the guys who don't write as top mc's anyway yellAgreed. Big ups to everyone who dropped some knowledge in this thread. I definitely would not put the artists I mentioned as top mcs, and it's funny to me because most of the artists I either know use ghostwriters or I even thought were using them I never considered them that high to begin with.props to you D~Nice I think you are the most knowledgable poster in the whole forum to be honest