THE REAL PROBLEM WIT THE WESTCOAST!!

[kuruptDPG]

True but Cube is a perfect example of a artist that does not play the name game for beats. Even if you up and coming, he will give you a shot. WC did that for his album also.

I think maybe him being indie now has something to do with that but yeah its good to see these other producers get a chance to shine

maybe that's not his main intention, but he did play that game, or have you forgotten about Scott Storch and Lil John?
and what about WC's album?  he worked with a few big names too http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=150537.0
sure he gave some "fresh" talent a chance, and used their sent beats to "produce" the final product.
i don't know about you, but i certainly don't like that production process; i rather see the producers work with the artists in the studio together.

So you never get to hear what he really had to say ‘cause he’s doing something else to make money.  Then we got all these ways to get music but nobody’s doing no new music, and all we’re doing is recycling old music because the well done run dry.  Those kinds of things concern me more than just what rap is doing.  Music period is gonna be dead!

no offense, but that's exactly what a lot of producers whom cube has worked with/works with were/are doing.
lethal injection and laugh now, cry later are great examples of that.
that doesn't have to be a bad thing, but if that statement really reflected how he feels, then he would have worked with other producers.

ll tracks co-produced by Ice Cube, except "Side Dick.
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=150537.0

so i guess he should blame himself then as well, since he got production credit.

Nah I did not forget about them. But a good bulk of that album he did use up and coming producers from the east and west. WC used Teak and De alot too.

yes, that's why i posted the credits in the first place; i wanted to show you that your statement wasn't correct.

I am looking over my posts and I never said Cube had all up and coming producers on his last album. I was just stating that the beats Cube picked for the album were from up and coming producers as well as big names, some from the west even. He even went with a couple familiar faces in LayLaw and Budda.

now where did i say that you did? please read my posts carefully before judging.
i just said that you, using Cube as a perfect example in this case, was not a good choice.
look, i knew what you were trying to say from the start, i just didn't like the way you formulated it, hence the criticism.

i wasnt refering to u. im jus using it as an example

[D~Nice]

True but Cube is a perfect example of a artist that does not play the name game for beats. Even if you up and coming, he will give you a shot. WC did that for his album also.

I think maybe him being indie now has something to do with that but yeah its good to see these other producers get a chance to shine

maybe that's not his main intention, but he did play that game, or have you forgotten about Scott Storch and Lil John?
and what about WC's album?  he worked with a few big names too http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=150537.0
sure he gave some "fresh" talent a chance, and used their sent beats to "produce" the final product.
i don't know about you, but i certainly don't like that production process; i rather see the producers work with the artists in the studio together.

So you never get to hear what he really had to say ‘cause he’s doing something else to make money.  Then we got all these ways to get music but nobody’s doing no new music, and all we’re doing is recycling old music because the well done run dry.  Those kinds of things concern me more than just what rap is doing.  Music period is gonna be dead!

no offense, but that's exactly what a lot of producers whom cube has worked with/works with were/are doing.
lethal injection and laugh now, cry later are great examples of that.
that doesn't have to be a bad thing, but if that statement really reflected how he feels, then he would have worked with other producers.

ll tracks co-produced by Ice Cube, except "Side Dick.
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=150537.0

so i guess he should blame himself then as well, since he got production credit.

Nah I did not forget about them. But a good bulk of that album he did use up and coming producers from the east and west. WC used Teak and De alot too.

yes, that's why i posted the credits in the first place; i wanted to show you that your statement wasn't correct.

I am looking over my posts and I never said Cube had all up and coming producers on his last album. I was just stating that the beats Cube picked for the album were from up and coming producers as well as big names, some from the west even. He even went with a couple familiar faces in LayLaw and Budda.

now where did i say that you did? please read my posts carefully before judging.
i just said that you, using Cube as a perfect example in this case, was not a good choice.
look, i knew what you were trying to say from the start, i just didn't like the way you formulated it, hence the criticism.

No judgment here Dre. I'm cool as a fan cat.

[BOX5 the best poster on this site yell]

^^what if the said artist don't want to..it's not by force,that they have to work with the established WC Producer, I'm sure you can appreciate that...

I sure can homie but im jus sayin thats the real reasn why westcoast is faln. Eg snoops sexual eruption, now thats a classic but how is it a classic? The beat is from a dirty south producr, so realy in a way u can say ther kinda taken credit 4 the song. I hope thats ok 2 undrstnd lol.

By the way is scott storch a westcoast producr or east? Wers he from?

if thats the case,ice cube first album is only a east coast classic since it was mainly produced by east coast proders,and ll cool j's badd album was west coast since it was mainly produced by west coast producers right? yell

[Dre-Day]

No judgment here Dre. I'm cool as a fan cat.

4. transitive verb form opinion of somebody or something: to form an opinion of somebody or something, especially after thought or consideration


5. transitive and intransitive verb estimate: to measure by guesswork, using the eye or some other sense as a rough guide

so offcourse you did judge, don't try to deny it:

I am looking over my posts and I never said Cube had all up and coming producers on his last album.

there you go. you assumed that i claimed that you did say that, otherwise you would have formulated it differently.

the thing is, you didn't read my posts properly, but you did judge. it's not something that accidentally happened either, as this is not the first time that i've seen you doing it.

[D~Nice]

No judgment here Dre. I'm cool as a fan cat.

4. transitive verb form opinion of somebody or something: to form an opinion of somebody or something, especially after thought or consideration


5. transitive and intransitive verb estimate: to measure by guesswork, using the eye or some other sense as a rough guide

so offcourse you did judge, don't try to deny it:

I am looking over my posts and I never said Cube had all up and coming producers on his last album.

there you go. you assumed that i claimed that you did say that, otherwise you would have formulated it differently.

the thing is, you didn't read my posts properly, but you did judge. it's not something that accidentally happened either, as this is not the first time that i've seen you doing it.

Dre it ain't that serious man. Formulate? I say what's on my mind and if it offended you, cool. I apologize. I'm done with it.

[Dre-Day]

No judgment here Dre. I'm cool as a fan cat.

4. transitive verb form opinion of somebody or something: to form an opinion of somebody or something, especially after thought or consideration


5. transitive and intransitive verb estimate: to measure by guesswork, using the eye or some other sense as a rough guide

so offcourse you did judge, don't try to deny it:

I am looking over my posts and I never said Cube had all up and coming producers on his last album.

there you go. you assumed that i claimed that you did say that, otherwise you would have formulated it differently.

the thing is, you didn't read my posts properly, but you did judge. it's not something that accidentally happened either, as this is not the first time that i've seen you doing it.

Dre it ain't that serious man. Formulate? I say what's on my mind and if it offended you, cool. I apologize. I'm done with it.

you didn't offend me, i just don't like it when people don't read carefully.
people make mistakes, yes. and i apologise too if you took it personal; but i do try to read posts carefully so if i see something that bothers me i'll criticise it.

[D-Stress]

i agree with you.the whole hip-hop sounds like south now.
wc rappers got to stick to their styles, the classics.
agreed 100%

[UCC]

The real reason is because everyone is fixated with either -
a) having to keep it all 'westcoast', as if that matters or
b) trying to jump on whatever bandwagon is going on right now

INSTEAD of just making a dope album


Game's first album was dope as hell, he used Dre, Timbaland, Kanye - he just made a dope fucking album! That's what westcoast artists need to do, it's not about whether it sounds like g-funk or whether it's on some south shit, it about whether all the tracks bump hard and it's dope to listen to. Just work with the best people, the best MCs and the best producers, and don't just go to whichever no-name producer has just made a one hit wonder either, as that won't last

Trying to keep it all westcoast is bullshit, Dre knows that for sure, he works with people who have talent, so that they will create good music rather than use 50 of his closest westcoast homies who are all from Cali but suck at making music. Game knows the same thing and got great production from all over

Snoop kind of knows what to do, but he does it half-half - his dope tracks will be by a mixture of talented west coast people like Dre and Quik and also talented producers from other places like Neptunes and Timbaland, but then he throws in a whole bunch of shit beats by either cats he happens to know or whoever is kind of hot at that second

[Youth Authority]

the best rapper out the west right now had a whole westcoast produced album. below the heavens is hands down album of the year produced by exile.

his new joint CRAC is by Ta'Raach he from detroit so still keepin it close lol