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zilla:
So it is experience that determines happiness, whether the experience is a bad or good, right?  Therefore people with no experience don't know how to have a positive mind-state. And who are we talking about here again? I'm guessing little kids in pre-school.

And what "real" happiness is to you may not be as "real" to others. And if your comment about being "major" is towards me, I have no idea what you're talking about.

Turf Hitta:

--- Quote from: Abd. Infinite presents... Real Hip-Hop on March 31, 2008, 06:43:48 PM ---I will present 3 of what I believe to be mostly false assumptions/claims made by "positive" thinking advocates.  This is supposed to be a respectful pshych/sociol discussion...

1.   Positive thinking advocates say things like "happiness is all in the mind"... or "happiness is a mindstate".   Well, I purpose that happiness is an INVOLUNTARY emotion resulting from bad or good experiences we encounter in our life. 

If person A is able to go through a bad experience and stay happy and positive that things will get better it is because he has had past experiences where things have gotten better or met or known of others who have overcame or some past event, encounter or knowledge has given him this hope.  I don't however believe that he "willed it" alltogether because I believe it to be involuntary.

2.  Positive thinkers may be neglecting their true emotions or feelings about something, and this could cause wasted energy and time engaging in something that they would be better off leaving.

3.  Positive thinkers believe it was their positive thinking that gave them success, when in reality, the reason they were able to remain confident in a difficult cirumstance may have actually been because of their abilities in that area.

4.  Positive thinkers may be certain something will happen, and when it doesn't they could be left unprepared for a changing situation because their are always many possible outcomes for a situration that one needs to be aware of.

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I'll give a more in depth response when I aint as loaded as I am now, but you CAN choose to be happy, and thinking positive makes you more likely to be happy. The hardest part is training yourself to be a positive thinker. I didn't believe it either until I took a couple psych classes and learned a few things...

TraceOneInfinite:

--- Quote from: ZiLLA on April 01, 2008, 12:39:21 AM ---So it is experience that determines happiness, whether the experience is a bad or good, right?  Therefore people with no experience don't know how to have a positive mind-state. And who are we talking about here again? I'm guessing little kids in pre-school.

And what "real" happiness is to you may not be as "real" to others. And if your comment about being "major" is towards me, I have no idea what you're talking about.

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I'm talkin about every one of your songs where you brag about selling drugs and pushin wieght and being major in the streets and then try to play it off with that cliché "mama I'm trying to get out the game, Lord help this thug"...

zilla:
oh yeah? show me those songs where I'm bragging.. even if I did somewhere, you could never understand any of it even though you think you have a good idea watching your hip hop documentaries about the streets on your TV screen. We're talking about people's ability to have a positive outlook on life here, stick to the subject.

It is possible for anyone to have a positive outlook no matter how high or low their life has headed towards. It is a decision that reflects on the atmosphere and usually determines where your life will end up.

You wanna talk about major? How bout making thousands upon thousands of dirty money, retiring from the game, then having it bite you in the ass 6 months later by spending 80% of your savings from the past few years on the biggest bail ever heard of to get out of jail for a crime you never really committed but can go down 10 years to life for it. You learn the biggest lesson about karma, and you really have no reason to be happy for shit, but your positive outlook and your faith in god is what keeps you sane. I'm still out on the scene living the good life like nothing happened.

Without a firm decision on feeling happy, you could sit in your room and rot, go for another big score or just end your life. But you have to fight emotions, the brain has the ability to do this, it just needs training and self-control.

QuietTruth:
LMFAO, I love this nigga. LMAO Infinite. But yeah, I hear this right here. Niggas who live thru thoughts should be sad for themselves. I mean come on, get REAL. Do you understand how many THOUGHTS A DAY WE GO THRU?! WE HAVE?! Everything happens for a reason, what's supposed to happen will happen no matter how much you try and change that wit A fuckin' THOUGHT. Niggas who think positive thinking works wonders, makes to 'achieve' what you want, NAH, it don't. Point blank. It's all bullshit.

2, 3, & 4 is on some real. 'Think positive, think positive', nah you think positive nigga. ::)

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