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Elevz:
--- Quote from: Lanothegreat on May 02, 2008, 09:09:05 PM ---WHY DO U GUYS THINK THE WORLD IS LIKE THIS????????/
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That depends on what you mean by "like this," but how about looking in the direction of philosophical defaulting and irrationality (and thus whims and mysticism) ruling? What else?
Elevz:
--- Quote from: Illuminatus Overfiendus on May 01, 2008, 05:04:22 AM ---The predecessor of science was ancient mysticism. Ever since man wanted to know 'wtf'.
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At the heart, that's precisely the difference: the mystic man wanted to know "what the fuck" without having to go through the trouble of actually having to look for the truth. Mysticism explains by replacing knowing with assuming. "Just believe it, and it will be true." But that's not how you build empires. That's not how you get food in your stomach.
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--- Quote from: Eleven 2 Three on May 01, 2008, 03:32:27 AM ---Go right ahead and follow your Jesus and Buddha, if that seems to tell you that you must live according to your nature. I'm right there with you, only then without the metaphor.
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Word, (I've had this same convo before), Buddha's way is a way that really cannot be followed if you follow it. Their words are not really meant to be followed, instead, reflected upon, and from there you yourself must determine what you do next, otherwise if you just follow the words, you are really perverting the word's intent. Im just using Buddha as an example tho, i read lots of stuff, you gotta.
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Now that's precisely the reason why your type of belief, from what I've seen thus far, will work, whereas the religious defaults that churches bring onto their followers, are merely methods of stomping down and paralyzing peoples souls. Through your way, Buddha is comparable to the way I perceive my favorite thinkers, for example. A critical mind is a decent one.
--- Quote from: Illuminatus Overfiendus on May 01, 2008, 05:04:22 AM ---Anyway, thats the perfect solution to the world's problems, however it probably isn't the most immediately practical, not everybody can afford to conduct life as a spiritual quest. Most people basically don't or can't afford to give a shit. For that matter, I agree, people need higher authorities and sometimes they need direction and mutherfuckers telling them what to do and what is reality, it is only justified because of practicality, but I hope and promote in my own way for a world more in the manner to where people can be their own emancipation and guiding light.
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"Not everyone can afford to conduct life as a spiritual quest"? How else are humans supposed to remain alive and in good health, whilst being mentally decayed? It's precisely because people don't give a shit that they end up struggling in the gym to forget their third divorce. The abandonment of the mind leaves people without a direction and without knowledge of what's going on.
But to solve that, do people need higher authorities? I'll definately agree that some positive influence would be more than just welcome, but does that have to be a "higher authority"? A spiritual leader would be fine already. He wouldn't have to be worshipped or anything - it's the influence that counts.
Australian Bastard:
--- Quote from: Eleven 2 Three on May 03, 2008, 08:02:08 AM ---
--- Quote from: Illuminatus Overfiendus on May 01, 2008, 05:04:22 AM ---The predecessor of science was ancient mysticism. Ever since man wanted to know 'wtf'.
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At the heart, that's precisely the difference: the mystic man wanted to know "what the fuck" without having to go through the trouble of actually having to look for the truth. Mysticism explains by replacing knowing with assuming. "Just believe it, and it will be true." But that's not how you build empires. That's not how you get food in your stomach.
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I know what you mean my man but I wade through the dogma with ease when I engage with anything mystic or religious, I've gotten used to it and you do with cultivation. I would say that genuine "mysticism" (or whatever the label its given, for it is not the name that is of any consequence really when we are describing the undescribeable), genuine "mysticism" (not religion, not oracles, not temples, not churches, not Buddha, not Jesus Christ not the Pope, not dogma) is genuine knowing. It is a state of consciousness of genuine knowing, that is, it is the real purpose of Jesus, Buddha, religion, but not Buddha or religion itself...nah mean? From religious texts, myths, mystic parables and sayings from the wise, to astrology, physics, mysticism, astrology, all across fields of seeking, although they may be cluttered with crap and tainted by illusions and the particulars of the world, they essentially allude to a universal understanding. Seek truth in all things. It is for this reason I pity those who limit themselves to a particular paradigm of thinking or particular way of looking at the world....
A university professor went to visit a famous Zen
master. While the master quietly served tea, the
professor talkied about Zen. The master poured the
visitor's cup to the brim, and then kept pouring. The
professor watched the overflowing cup until he could
no longer restrain himself. "It's over-full! No more will
go in!" the professor blurted. "You are like this cup,"
the master replied, "How can I show you Zen unless
you first empty your cup."
--- Quote from: Eleven 2 Three on May 01, 2008, 03:32:27 AM ---
--- Quote from: Illuminatus Overfiendus on May 01, 2008, 05:04:22 AM ---
--- Quote from: Eleven 2 Three on May 01, 2008, 03:32:27 AM ---Go right ahead and follow your Jesus and Buddha, if that seems to tell you that you must live according to your nature. I'm right there with you, only then without the metaphor.
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Word, (I've had this same convo before), Buddha's way is a way that really cannot be followed if you follow it. Their words are not really meant to be followed, instead, reflected upon, and from there you yourself must determine what you do next, otherwise if you just follow the words, you are really perverting the word's intent. Im just using Buddha as an example tho, i read lots of stuff, you gotta.
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Now that's precisely the reason why your type of belief, from what I've seen thus far, will work, whereas the religious defaults that churches bring onto their followers, are merely methods of stomping down and paralyzing peoples souls. Through your way, Buddha is comparable to the way I perceive my favorite thinkers, for example. A critical mind is a decent one.
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^
Exactly. You get it. We on the same cloud now.
--- Quote from: Eleven 2 Three on May 01, 2008, 03:32:27 AM ---
--- Quote from: Illuminatus Overfiendus on May 01, 2008, 05:04:22 AM ---Anyway, thats the perfect solution to the world's problems, however it probably isn't the most immediately practical, not everybody can afford to conduct life as a spiritual quest. Most people basically don't or can't afford to give a shit. For that matter, I agree, people need higher authorities and sometimes they need direction and mutherfuckers telling them what to do and what is reality, it is only justified because of practicality, but I hope and promote in my own way for a world more in the manner to where people can be their own emancipation and guiding light.
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"Not everyone can afford to conduct life as a spiritual quest"? How else are humans supposed to remain alive and in good health, whilst being mentally decayed? It's precisely because people don't give a shit that they end up struggling in the gym to forget their third divorce. The abandonment of the mind leaves people without a direction and without knowledge of what's going on.
But to solve that, do people need higher authorities? I'll definately agree that some positive influence would be more than just welcome, but does that have to be a "higher authority"? A spiritual leader would be fine already. He wouldn't have to be worshipped or anything - it's the influence that counts.
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Well, its true, thinking of the world as a whole, people cannot afford the sanctity required to think, contemplate and reflect. The Iraqi child, the Botswanian aids infected mother of 12, the sex slave from Hungary, the petrol-sniffing aboriginal, the 9-5 working class white man, people inevitablly have to make their own choice whether to be or not to be dumb deaf and blind, however, alot of people never even get to address such a decision given their circumstances in this world. For that reason I believe in order, in whatever form, provided it is of enlightened coscience (which is a big f-ing ask, so far the Western system of checks and balances is the next best thing, but can easily be thwarted by ignorant minds). It was only after man had adequately shielded himself from the harsh world, that he had the opportunity to explore such concepts and ask himself the profound questions. Thats what I meant when i said "not everybody can afford to conduct life as a spiritual guest". I don't believe government should be "higher" than the people, rather it only exists to facilitate our needs, it is only a tool, like a hammer or a nail...
Buddha came to be viewed as higher than the average person because he attained 'enlightenement' but enlightenment dosn't make you any higher than anybody, rather, to be enlightened is to know that you really don't know shit and that you really are not higher than anything, rather, you simply are, it may sound simple, but it is profound and to try to explain such concepts is like punching the air. It was rather due to cultural and traditional reasons that Buddha came to be revered, also because people do not grasp Buddha's intent they look upon him in awe and worship him, however he was a normal man like you or me from birth to death, it was his mind's journey during his life that is notable. Worship of something that is percieved as a higher authority is not wrong in itself, nothing is wrong in itself, however, it is that genuine seeking of understanding in whatever form that is essential, without that, the worship of a higher authority is pointless. Morales and understanding are things that need to be cultivated in people, not imposed, for that would defeat the purpose and nature of morales and understanding themself, it would be a contradiction.
A man who has had his way is seldom
happy, for generally he finds that
the way does not lead very far
on this earth of desires which can
never be fully staisfied.
-Joseph Conrad.
Its a daily conflict between man and best, we, strive for god and a better tomorrow
-The RZA, 'Biochemical Equation'.
Peace.
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