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Would anyone else feel differently bout joining the military if Obama was prez?
virtuoso:
In my understanding of the military, U.S soldiers are paid peanuts compared to the mercs who now outnumber the official military presence in Iraq. Having said that of course, the mercs are there to do all sorts of foul shit and thus are bigger targets, that and of course could you really be a part of such foul shit? The army has a way of seducing people into the us and them mentality, they become your family, you protect your family no matter what and that means being complicit in horrible horrible crimes against people.
Food for thought for you, I have spoken to English soldiers who have come back from Afghanistan and said yeah that it's quite common knowledge that American solders will wipe out entire villages if hostiles are identified within the populous. If you recall also, i recently posted an article in which the rand corporation has compiled it's own statistics on the number of dead American soldiers and they put the figure at over 100,000, want to be another statistic?
As for Obama, he like the UK government, has pledged more troops into Afghanistan, I still find it amazing that there is so much outrage against Iraq (rightly so of course) but an almost deafening silence on Afghanistan.
Narrator:
--- Quote from: virtuoso on May 20, 2008, 03:20:52 PM ---Food for thought for you, I have spoken to English soldiers who have come back from Afghanistan and said yeah that it's quite common knowledge that American solders will wipe out entire villages if hostiles are identified within the populous. If you recall also, i recently posted an article in which the rand corporation has compiled it's own statistics on the number of dead American soldiers and they put the figure at over 100,000, want to be another statistic?
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That's how you fight back against guerilla forces. It's an extremely brutal business, but that is how it's done. Otherwise, the troops don't have much choice but to get shot at by unknown, shadowy insurgents who attack them with IEDs and distant AK/RPG fire, and it's only so long before they get pissed off and shit like Mai Lai happens.
I highly doubt the English troops are any better. These are the dudes who basically pioneered concentration camps. I guarantee you the Brits would love to take shit back to the days of the Boer campaign if they could.
virtuoso:
Morality has fallen so rapidly in such a short space of time, I shouldn't' even be needing to say this, do not rationalize the mass murder of men women and children. Do not think for a second I don't know the tactics employed by the British troops even in Ireland either. The fact is it's evil, protecting the innocent is the job of the military! just because these pieces of filth disregard human life as nothing does not make it so.
Narrator:
--- Quote from: virtuoso on May 20, 2008, 04:28:56 PM ---
Morality has fallen so rapidly in such a short space of time, I shouldn't' even be needing to say this, do not rationalize the mass murder of men women and children. Do not think for a second I don't know the tactics employed by the British troops even in Ireland either. The fact is it's evil, protecting the innocent is the job of the military! just because these pieces of filth disregard human life as nothing does not make it so.
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Right, I agree wholeheartedly. I just think it's important you understand that CI warfare brings out the worst in man. That was basically the point of the movie "Apocalypse Now" - fighting against guerillas is an extremely bloody business, and atrocities are part of that business. This is what happens to Colonel Kurtz...he's basically gone insane because he's really patriotic and wants to win the war, but the only way he can do it is through incredibly barbaric acts.
Australian Bastard:
--- Quote from: Foday-muh'fuckin-Sankoh, bitch! on May 20, 2008, 05:18:05 PM ---
--- Quote from: virtuoso on May 20, 2008, 04:28:56 PM ---
Morality has fallen so rapidly in such a short space of time, I shouldn't' even be needing to say this, do not rationalize the mass murder of men women and children. Do not think for a second I don't know the tactics employed by the British troops even in Ireland either. The fact is it's evil, protecting the innocent is the job of the military! just because these pieces of filth disregard human life as nothing does not make it so.
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Right, I agree wholeheartedly. I just think it's important you understand that CI warfare brings out the worst in man. That was basically the point of the movie "Apocalypse Now" - fighting against guerillas is an extremely bloody business, and atrocities are part of that business. This is what happens to Colonel Kurtz...he's basically gone insane because he's really patriotic and wants to win the war, but the only way he can do it is through incredibly barbaric acts.
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Word, they can be driven to the point where it begins to make the most sense in that type of situation. A friend of mine in East Timor recently told me how they nearly wiped out a whole wedding party over kids with toy guns pointing them at them. There is a very real human element to it aswell, as in 'survival, mutherfucker, do you want to?' Dudes ive known since we were babies, come back changed, but after a few weeks they begin to get open again. Wu-Tang is for the babies.
I think Afghanistan will get more help in the next few months if not in a year, we have troops already scheduled to go there for next year, alot of people banking on that deplaoyment, also, its something we (as in NATO allied countries) and the mainstream LEFT can probably agree on more easily as opposed to Iraq...
"its my job" he'd say, I do it for pay..."
-Bob Dylan, the story of the Hurricane.
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