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The King:
Religion is a crutch. Simple as that. People can't accept the fact we are just another species, which will one day die out. People need to feel like their's a purpose to their lives, they need to know when they die, thei'rs something after. Well, we'll never know, because when you're dead, you're dead. Back when the Bible was written, it explained the unknown. Now, scieince and physical observation have answered some of our questions, like Cosmology, Evolution, etc.
I tend to believe that as a species, we have a purpose. That purpose is the progression of science and knowledge. If everyone person has a purpose, then why do some go out and murder random individuals? What purpose is that? Oh.. It's god's will. No. Free will exists. Right this second, I could sit here and continue writing, or I could go outside and murder someone. We all have choices, and destiny as they call it, doesn't really exist.
--- Quote ---Atheism just doesn't make no sense to me. Not to be disrespectful at all, but, I mean it doesn't..
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Many people often confuse Atheists with Agnostics. If believing in god gets you through you're day, then that's fine. But a persons faith should be private, and their actions affecting other people should be independent of that faith. Too many times does religion interfere with science and politics. Bush says he looks to God for guidance. Really.. did God tell him going into Iraq was a good idea? Organized religion, and the actions of some individuals really bothers me. A man who murders his wife can call himself a Christian, and a soldier of God. Same as a housewife making an apple pie.
Many people follow the Bible without question. It's the Bible, it's true, end of story. Like Evolution, for example. Evolution never happened because God says so. Or the earth was created 3000 years ago. Well, I'll show you a 3 billion year old fossil, where the fuck did that come from? Where did all the oil come from? God? It's about common sense versus religious beliefs. Common sense says one thing. The Bible says the opposite. Why do people believe in something they can't even see? Because their not smart enough, or open minded enough, to educate themselves on the truth. It's pretty easy to say, God did it, compared to getting a degree in Evolutionary Biology. But that's how many people think these days.
Open a Science text book, you can read something, then go out somewhere, and reproduce the observation, or result. Open the Bible, read it, and try to find any sort of proof. You won't find it.
People can believe in a higher power, but why does that higher power need to be God. Can't a higher power simply be striving to be a good person? The Bible, the Koran, whatever, it gives people false hope. It gives people something they can believe in, whether it's real or not. I would like to believe "24" is a real life ride along with a anti-terrorist agent. But my brain says, "No... it's just a story." And that's what the Bible is, a story.
Faith can be a great thing, which strives people to do good things. But more often then not, you're average Christian is beating his wife, or sleeping with his secretary, or lying to his children. Organized religion doesn't make sense. How is Bush a Christian, if he lied to the world about invading Iraq. It doesn't make sense. How can you just ignore the Bible when it's inconvenient, then just repent you're sins later. Which is why I prefer Islam, because as many agree, if you don't follow the Koran every second of you're life, you're not a Muslim. Most Muslims tend to not sin, rather then sin, and feeling bad about it later. The Koran is your life, it tells you how to live a good life. The Bible doesn't, it tells you, you can live a horrible evil life, as long as you feel bad about it.
--- Quote ---You die, than what?
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The world continues on without you. We're just big bags of atoms bumping around. What could possibly happen. You're brain shuts off, and you're dead. Our thoughts and our subconscious end when our cells die. Simple as that. You're just gone. It's hard to fathom, but it's simply true. When a plant dies, does it go to plant heaven? No. It's the whole idea that humans are special. We can't just die.. no no, but everything else around us can.
Narrator:
--- Quote from: The King of Mitt Romney's Fan Club on June 14, 2008, 05:57:58 PM ---Religion is a crutch. Simple as that. People can't accept the fact we are just another species, which will one day die out.
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Personally, I think there is very likely a scientific reason that intelligent life came into existence (as opposed to a "creator"), but that our current knowledge simply isn't enough to explain it. I don't think human beings are "just another species"; I think we're the most advanced development in biological evolution. Whether something better replaces us, I can't say, but I do think it's likely to be humans who eventually conquer just about all of the mysteries of the universe.
--- Quote from: The King of Mitt Romney's Fan Club on June 14, 2008, 05:57:58 PM ---Free will exists. Right this second, I could sit here and continue writing, or I could go outside and murder someone. We all have choices, and destiny as they call it, doesn't really exist.
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Careful with those terms. As an atheist, I don't believe in "free will" because our personality IS a product of many things which aren't completely under our control - like the genes we're born with. On the other hand, I would argue that this is indistinguishable from "free will" in practice because it still feels like you have free will, so you think nothing of it. That's one of the cases where perception makes the reality (which is completely the opposite of what religion expects).
--- Quote from: The King of Mitt Romney's Fan Club on June 14, 2008, 05:57:58 PM ---Which is why I prefer Islam, because as many agree, if you don't follow the Koran every second of you're life, you're not a Muslim. Most Muslims tend to not sin, rather then sin, and feeling bad about it later. The Koran is your life, it tells you how to live a good life. The Bible doesn't, it tells you, you can live a horrible evil life, as long as you feel bad about it.
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Although I agree with what you say about Christianity and the Bible, I don't think you can say Islam is better. Islam's history is far more bloody than that of Christianity and Judaism (which are both extremely bloody to begin with), and I don't think Islam is at all morally superior to either of them. Like I said, I almost became a Muslim before I started to realize just how messed up so many Islamic converts in this country really are.
LooN3y:
--- Quote from: The King of Mitt Romney's Fan Club on June 14, 2008, 05:57:58 PM ---Religion is a crutch. Simple as that. People can't accept the fact we are just another species, which will one day die out. People need to feel like their's a purpose to their lives, they need to know when they die, thei'rs something after. Well, we'll never know, because when you're dead, you're dead. Back when the Bible was written, it explained the unknown. Now, scieince and physical observation have answered some of our questions, like Cosmology, Evolution, etc.
I tend to believe that as a species, we have a purpose. That purpose is the progression of science and knowledge. If everyone person has a purpose, then why do some go out and murder random individuals? What purpose is that? Oh.. It's god's will. No. Free will exists. Right this second, I could sit here and continue writing, or I could go outside and murder someone. We all have choices, and destiny as they call it, doesn't really exist.
--- Quote ---Atheism just doesn't make no sense to me. Not to be disrespectful at all, but, I mean it doesn't..
--- End quote ---
Many people often confuse Atheists with Agnostics. If believing in god gets you through you're day, then that's fine. But a persons faith should be private, and their actions affecting other people should be independent of that faith. Too many times does religion interfere with science and politics. Bush says he looks to God for guidance. Really.. did God tell him going into Iraq was a good idea? Organized religion, and the actions of some individuals really bothers me. A man who murders his wife can call himself a Christian, and a soldier of God. Same as a housewife making an apple pie.
Many people follow the Bible without question. It's the Bible, it's true, end of story. Like Evolution, for example. Evolution never happened because God says so. Or the earth was created 3000 years ago. Well, I'll show you a 3 billion year old fossil, where the fuck did that come from? Where did all the oil come from? God? It's about common sense versus religious beliefs. Common sense says one thing. The Bible says the opposite. Why do people believe in something they can't even see? Because their not smart enough, or open minded enough, to educate themselves on the truth. It's pretty easy to say, God did it, compared to getting a degree in Evolutionary Biology. But that's how many people think these days.
Open a Science text book, you can read something, then go out somewhere, and reproduce the observation, or result. Open the Bible, read it, and try to find any sort of proof. You won't find it.
People can believe in a higher power, but why does that higher power need to be God. Can't a higher power simply be striving to be a good person? The Bible, the Koran, whatever, it gives people false hope. It gives people something they can believe in, whether it's real or not. I would like to believe "24" is a real life ride along with a anti-terrorist agent. But my brain says, "No... it's just a story." And that's what the Bible is, a story.
Faith can be a great thing, which strives people to do good things. But more often then not, you're average Christian is beating his wife, or sleeping with his secretary, or lying to his children. Organized religion doesn't make sense. How is Bush a Christian, if he lied to the world about invading Iraq. It doesn't make sense. How can you just ignore the Bible when it's inconvenient, then just repent you're sins later. Which is why I prefer Islam, because as many agree, if you don't follow the Koran every second of you're life, you're not a Muslim. Most Muslims tend to not sin, rather then sin, and feeling bad about it later. The Koran is your life, it tells you how to live a good life. The Bible doesn't, it tells you, you can live a horrible evil life, as long as you feel bad about it.
--- Quote ---You die, than what?
--- End quote ---
The world continues on without you. We're just big bags of atoms bumping around. What could possibly happen. You're brain shuts off, and you're dead. Our thoughts and our subconscious end when our cells die. Simple as that. You're just gone. It's hard to fathom, but it's simply true. When a plant dies, does it go to plant heaven? No. It's the whole idea that humans are special. We can't just die.. no no, but everything else around us can.
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but there is a creator. life and universe was created just like everything in this world was created, like the planet was created.
i dont remember seeing the bible that the eart was 3000 years old.
http://www.eternal-productions.org/101science.html
The King:
--- Quote ---but there is a creator. life and universe was created just like everything in this world was created, like the planet was created.
i dont remember seeing the bible that the eart was 3000 years old.
http://www.eternal-productions.org/101science.html
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There is a creator? Just because something was created, doesn't mean their was a creator. We don't know how life formed, or really how the universe formed, but how and when our planet formed is more or less scientific knowledge.
That site you posted is complete bullshit, and is exaggerated propaganda. Kind of like Nostradamus.
LooN3y:
--- Quote from: LooN3y on June 13, 2008, 05:19:11 PM ---well somebody made us, u guys didnt hear about the microorganism that has a built in motor inside it? it wasnt man made and it couldnt of been made by nature.
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what about that ^, if not god thatn that must prove existence of aliens.
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