RND 1. DUBCC'S HOF: BASEBALL'S GOAT POSITION PLAYER #4 COBB VS #9 MUSIAL

[Don Jacob]

1. Babe Ruth-5
2. Willie Mays-5
3. Ted Williams-5
4. Ty Cobb-5
5. Hank Aaron-4
6. Lou Gehrig-4
7. Pete Rose-3
8. Mickey Mantel
9. Stan Musial-2
10. Barry Bonds-2

#4 TY COBB

#9 STAN MUSIAL

[Don Jacob]

wasn't cobb a racist?

[OG Hack Wilson]

musial - better human


cobb = better ballplayer (by a mile)

[S P I C E]

^^by a mile LMAO!!  You obviously have no idea who Stan Musial is LOL,  this is why I laugh at the sports section on dubcc and why I post on sportsline

[Twentytwofifty]

This could be tough, I have to look into this a little.  Good match-up. 

[OG Hack Wilson]

^^by a mile LMAO!!  You obviously have no idea who Stan Musial is LOL,  this is why I laugh at the sports section on dubcc and why I post on sportsline

ty cobb was a better hitter for average, a better base stealer, a better defensive player, better arm


only thing Stan the Man beats him in is power

ty cobb dominates him in win shares, black and gray ink and his OPS+ is MILES ahead of stans.

nigga ive forgot more baseball than you'll ever learn

[Chamillitary Click]

Cobb>Musial...stan was great dont get me wrong, but overall cobbs got him.

[Twentytwofifty]

ty cobb was a better hitter for average, a better base stealer, a better defensive player, better arm


only thing Stan the Man beats him in is power

ty cobb dominates him in win shares, black and gray ink and his OPS+ is MILES ahead of stans.

Looking at fielding stats Stan>Ty.  And Stan won it all 3 times while Ty lost 3 World Series in a row the only 3 times he made it.
I still voted for Ty Cobb.

I don't know much about Adjusted OPS+ but is Cobb's 167 to Musial's 159 really "miles" ahead?  I know Stan had a better OPS.

[herpes]

Actually from what I read history like to overrate Ty's glove somewhat  but then again look at the gloves he used.  This is a good one b/c they played in two drastically different era's.  This is a good one but I am partial towards Ty Cobb so I am going with him.

[OG Hack Wilson]

ty cobb was a better hitter for average, a better base stealer, a better defensive player, better arm


only thing Stan the Man beats him in is power

ty cobb dominates him in win shares, black and gray ink and his OPS+ is MILES ahead of stans.

Looking at fielding stats Stan>Ty.  And Stan won it all 3 times while Ty lost 3 World Series in a row the only 3 times he made it.
I still voted for Ty Cobb.

I don't know much about Adjusted OPS+ but is Cobb's 167 to Musial's 159 really "miles" ahead?  I know Stan had a better OPS.

Cobb was centerfield, Musial was left field and 1st base when he became slower.  that alone gives Cobb the advantage.

not to mention Musial was never "THE" best player in baseball (well maybe in the war years).  Williams, Mantle, Mays and Berra all overshadowed him.

adjusted OPS+ = league adjusted.   raw OPS is worthless in comparing players in different years.

[OG Hack Wilson]

here are the top 10 seasons in "OPS+"  of a selected list of stars


the higher, the better. 

Bonds* 268,263,259,231,205,204,188,188,183,178
Ruth    256,239,239,226,225,220,219,218,211,208
Williams 235,233,217,215,209,205,201,192,189,179
Mantle  223,210,206,196,195,188,180,178,170,164
Hornsby222,210,207,200,191,188,185,178,175,169
Gehrig  221,208,203,194,194,190,181,177,177,176
Cobb 209,206,200,196,194,194,193,190,185,179
Musial 200,183,182,178,176,175,172,169,167,166
Schmidt199,171,161,158,156,155,154,152,151,150
Aaron   194,181,179,177,177,170,168,166,161,160
Speaker188,185,182,181,179,178,173,172,171,166
Mays    184,175,175,174,174,172,165,165,159,159


and people laugh at me for putting Tris Speaker (easily regarded as the #1 defensive centerfielder ever) ahead of willie mays.

[eS El Duque]

i believe we're talking about the complete package...not the best in certain areas....so this goes to Ty

[Hatesrats™]

Ty Cobb