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Quote from: manny1 on July 16, 2008, 11:24:23 AMQuote from: smegma on July 16, 2008, 10:26:47 AMQuote from: manny1 on July 16, 2008, 03:55:15 AMD12World (indisputably classic in my opinion), Obie's two releases (also classics in my opinion), G-Unit's Beg For Mercy and T.O.S. (best group efforts in the industry, I'd have to say, in many many years). My bad..meant to say Devil's Night, not D12World....hopefully that's what you found funny!Still
Quote from: smegma on July 16, 2008, 10:26:47 AMQuote from: manny1 on July 16, 2008, 03:55:15 AMD12World (indisputably classic in my opinion), Obie's two releases (also classics in my opinion), G-Unit's Beg For Mercy and T.O.S. (best group efforts in the industry, I'd have to say, in many many years). My bad..meant to say Devil's Night, not D12World....hopefully that's what you found funny!
Quote from: manny1 on July 16, 2008, 03:55:15 AMD12World (indisputably classic in my opinion), Obie's two releases (also classics in my opinion), G-Unit's Beg For Mercy and T.O.S. (best group efforts in the industry, I'd have to say, in many many years).
D12World (indisputably classic in my opinion), Obie's two releases (also classics in my opinion), G-Unit's Beg For Mercy and T.O.S. (best group efforts in the industry, I'd have to say, in many many years).
Quote from: classic material on July 15, 2008, 04:12:34 PMit doesn't have that raw uncut talent that death row(92-96)had. if he had kept king t,and signed niggas like knoc turn al, timebomb, xzibit,jayo felony,snoop dogg,tha dogg pound and kept rbx he woulda exceeded death row and would have a legacy. he just need to get rid of the clutter over there and start fresh(artist wise). i'm waiting to see what he's gonna do wit the d.o.c.'s upcoming album. Disagree. West Coast fans would have loved that roster no doubt but the critics would have dismissed it after awhile as being the same shit he did at Death Row. He had a heavy hand in Xzibit's career as it was for a couple years. Of those rappers you named, none of them would have been Eminem or 50 Cent as far as sales go. People can argue that sales aren't everything but Eminem and 50 are a huge part of the reason that people are still checking for Dre outside of the L.A. area.
it doesn't have that raw uncut talent that death row(92-96)had. if he had kept king t,and signed niggas like knoc turn al, timebomb, xzibit,jayo felony,snoop dogg,tha dogg pound and kept rbx he woulda exceeded death row and would have a legacy. he just need to get rid of the clutter over there and start fresh(artist wise). i'm waiting to see what he's gonna do wit the d.o.c.'s upcoming album.
yeah but do you think snoop, tha dogg pound,and others on death row at the time woulda sold records if it wasn't for dre being there? no. what i'm sayin' is anything dre puts him stamp on people tend to gravitate towards. 5-0 was a no name nigga and look what dre and em did for his career: made him a household name.
Quote from: classic material on July 17, 2008, 04:56:44 AM yeah but do you think snoop, tha dogg pound,and others on death row at the time woulda sold records if it wasn't for dre being there? no. what i'm sayin' is anything dre puts him stamp on people tend to gravitate towards. 5-0 was a no name nigga and look what dre and em did for his career: made him a household name.50 Cent had a lot of things going for him when his debut dropped. He didn't sell a million plus the first week, simply off the strength of Eminem and Dre. If it were as easy as that, every artist they put out would be doing those numbers. When 50 Cent came out, he had it covered in many areas. He had a compelling story that people were interested in. He had an underground audience through the mixtape circuit. He was going at Ja Rule who a lot of fans were sick of. Dre was a contributing factor unquestionably but as good as he is, he wouldn't have sold like that with Dogg Pound or Knoc-Turn'al.
5-0 sold on the strength of being affiliated with dre and em. how many of y'all gave a fuck about around 1999-200? nobody. dre could produce a frog and make it go platinum.
I really hope for Dre that he get out the contract with Interscope after "Detox"so that he can founds a new label where nobody tell him what he has to do and what not.
Dre didn't bring out King T because it would have flopped, he didn't bring out Hitman because it would have flopped- if he'd let those albums come out Aftermath would have been in way worse shape...but instead he put out Eminem and 50 Cent- you can't argue with the success they've had, they're arguable the two most well know people in HipHop!
Dre didn't decide that, interscope did.Dre actually wanted to put out a hittman and a King T album
Busta Rhymes off the Math July 17th, 2008 by adminhttp://www.aftermathmusic.com/blog/?p=50It’s official - Busta Rhymes got dropped from Interscope/Aftermath. It was reported that Busta Rhymes was dropped from Interscope due to a heated argument with Jimmy Iovine. He later confirmed that the album would be released in late September on Aftermath. www.Aftermathmusic.com contacted the general manager of Aftermath. “Yes, it’s true. He got dropped.”, so the General Manager of Aftermath.“Blessed” is scheduled to release in September, but not on Aftermath.
Quote from: Lazar on July 16, 2008, 11:46:20 AMI really hope for Dre that he get out the contract with Interscope after "Detox"so that he can founds a new label where nobody tell him what he has to do and what not.....or before I'm little tired of Aftermath and the whole drama around them, as many has pointed out before,Jimmy interferes too much with the creative side of things.Quote from: UCC on July 16, 2008, 09:53:32 AMDre didn't bring out King T because it would have flopped, he didn't bring out Hitman because it would have flopped- if he'd let those albums come out Aftermath would have been in way worse shape...but instead he put out Eminem and 50 Cent- you can't argue with the success they've had, they're arguable the two most well know people in HipHop!Quote from: Dre-Day on July 16, 2008, 10:37:49 AMDre didn't decide that, interscope did.Dre actually wanted to put out a hittman and a King T album The label (and the industry as a whole) got too obsessed with the "block buster mentality" (read; first week sales), that anything that might get looked as a flop would damage the "block buster legacy" Aftermath got. But I believe that in the long run,releasing some albums that don't have that "block buster stamp" over them would actually benefit them.Look at Ruthless,Above The Law and Ren´s solo releases was never a big success. Bone Thugs and Eazy took care of the "block buster" numbers.Never the less Above The Law and Ren´s solo albums was fan favorites that took care of the Ruthless legacy of putting out "quality" music.Hittman and King T could be one of those type of artists,as far I'm concerned I think the "unreleased" Hittman and King T album is amongst the top five album from the "Aftermath Camp".
Quote from: Chad Vader on July 17, 2008, 07:30:50 PMQuote from: Lazar on July 16, 2008, 11:46:20 AMI really hope for Dre that he get out the contract with Interscope after "Detox"so that he can founds a new label where nobody tell him what he has to do and what not.....or before I'm little tired of Aftermath and the whole drama around them, as many has pointed out before,Jimmy interferes too much with the creative side of things.Quote from: UCC on July 16, 2008, 09:53:32 AMDre didn't bring out King T because it would have flopped, he didn't bring out Hitman because it would have flopped- if he'd let those albums come out Aftermath would have been in way worse shape...but instead he put out Eminem and 50 Cent- you can't argue with the success they've had, they're arguable the two most well know people in HipHop!Quote from: Dre-Day on July 16, 2008, 10:37:49 AMDre didn't decide that, interscope did.Dre actually wanted to put out a hittman and a King T album The label (and the industry as a whole) got too obsessed with the "block buster mentality" (read; first week sales), that anything that might get looked as a flop would damage the "block buster legacy" Aftermath got. But I believe that in the long run,releasing some albums that don't have that "block buster stamp" over them would actually benefit them.Look at Ruthless,Above The Law and Ren´s solo releases was never a big success. Bone Thugs and Eazy took care of the "block buster" numbers.Never the less Above The Law and Ren´s solo albums was fan favorites that took care of the Ruthless legacy of putting out "quality" music.Hittman and King T could be one of those type of artists,as far I'm concerned I think the "unreleased" Hittman and King T album is amongst the top five album from the "Aftermath Camp".I think the Ruthless situation is different - because the big albums Aftermath has put out were also very critically acclaimed... while outside of this forum I don't really know anyone who thinks the unreleased King T or Hittman albums are like WOW - a lot of people have the King T one and most people are like, phew, good thing he didn't put this out, because it's not really that great, and reviews of it were just kind of 'meh'. Also Aftermath spends a lot on promotion, making an expensive video, etc etc - they don't want to lose potentially millions on promoting something that is not going to break even
Quote from: UCC on July 18, 2008, 10:36:05 AMQuote from: Chad Vader on July 17, 2008, 07:30:50 PMQuote from: Lazar on July 16, 2008, 11:46:20 AMI really hope for Dre that he get out the contract with Interscope after "Detox"so that he can founds a new label where nobody tell him what he has to do and what not.....or before I'm little tired of Aftermath and the whole drama around them, as many has pointed out before,Jimmy interferes too much with the creative side of things.Quote from: UCC on July 16, 2008, 09:53:32 AMDre didn't bring out King T because it would have flopped, he didn't bring out Hitman because it would have flopped- if he'd let those albums come out Aftermath would have been in way worse shape...but instead he put out Eminem and 50 Cent- you can't argue with the success they've had, they're arguable the two most well know people in HipHop!Quote from: Dre-Day on July 16, 2008, 10:37:49 AMDre didn't decide that, interscope did.Dre actually wanted to put out a hittman and a King T album The label (and the industry as a whole) got too obsessed with the "block buster mentality" (read; first week sales), that anything that might get looked as a flop would damage the "block buster legacy" Aftermath got. But I believe that in the long run,releasing some albums that don't have that "block buster stamp" over them would actually benefit them.Look at Ruthless,Above The Law and Ren´s solo releases was never a big success. Bone Thugs and Eazy took care of the "block buster" numbers.Never the less Above The Law and Ren´s solo albums was fan favorites that took care of the Ruthless legacy of putting out "quality" music.Hittman and King T could be one of those type of artists,as far I'm concerned I think the "unreleased" Hittman and King T album is amongst the top five album from the "Aftermath Camp".I think the Ruthless situation is different - because the big albums Aftermath has put out were also very critically acclaimed... while outside of this forum I don't really know anyone who thinks the unreleased King T or Hittman albums are like WOW - a lot of people have the King T one and most people are like, phew, good thing he didn't put this out, because it's not really that great, and reviews of it were just kind of 'meh'. Also Aftermath spends a lot on promotion, making an expensive video, etc etc - they don't want to lose potentially millions on promoting something that is not going to break even well if you think about it, they are already flushing millions through the toilet....
Damn, has everyone gone insane? Aftermath is probably in the top 3 greatest HipHop labels ever, and they're easily one of the biggest selling, Eminem, Dre, 50 Cent - those are three of the biggest HipHop artists ever! Who sold big AND are critically acclaimedAftermath has sold more records than Death Row by a large margin - 50 sold about 25 million, Eminem about 45 million, Dre sold 6 million of 2001... compared with Death Row selling 3 million of the Chronic, Doggystyle 4 million, and 2Pac about 15 millionDeath Row had more 'classic' stuff, though only thanks to Dre anyway... and Eminem's first two records, 2001, and 50's first record are all highly acclaimedBad Boy sold a lot, but is a 99% a joke in terms of credibility (apart from Biggie), same with No Limit, they don't have any really classic stuffThe only label that probably beats both Aftermath and Death Row is Def Jam just because they have so many classic records and had such a huge influence in getting HipHop onto the level it is nowI'm probably forgetting some labels off the top of my head, but Aftermath is definitely up there
Quote from: Chad Vader on July 17, 2008, 07:30:50 PMQuote from: Lazar on July 16, 2008, 11:46:20 AMI really hope for Dre that he get out the contract with Interscope after "Detox"so that he can founds a new label where nobody tell him what he has to do and what not.....or before I'm little tired of Aftermath and the whole drama around them, as many has pointed out before,Jimmy interferes too much with the creative side of things.Quote from: UCC on July 16, 2008, 09:53:32 AMDre didn't bring out King T because it would have flopped, he didn't bring out Hitman because it would have flopped- if he'd let those albums come out Aftermath would have been in way worse shape...but instead he put out Eminem and 50 Cent- you can't argue with the success they've had, they're arguable the two most well know people in HipHop!Quote from: Dre-Day on July 16, 2008, 10:37:49 AMDre didn't decide that, interscope did.Dre actually wanted to put out a hittman and a King T album The label (and the industry as a whole) got too obsessed with the "block buster mentality" (read; first week sales), that anything that might get looked as a flop would damage the "block buster legacy" Aftermath got. But I believe that in the long run,releasing some albums that don't have that "block buster stamp" over them would actually benefit them.Look at Ruthless,Above The Law and Ren´s solo releases was never a big success. Bone Thugs and Eazy took care of the "block buster" numbers.Never the less Above The Law and Ren´s solo albums was fan favorites that took care of the Ruthless legacy of putting out "quality" music.Hittman and King T could be one of those type of artists,as far I'm concerned I think the "unreleased" Hittman and King T album is amongst the top five album from the "Aftermath Camp".I think the Ruthless situation is different - because the big albums Aftermath has put out were also very critically acclaimed...while outside of this forum I don't really know anyone who thinks the unreleased King T or Hittman albums are like WOW- a lot of people have the King T one and most people are like, phew, good thing he didn't put this out,because it's not really that great, and reviews of it were just kind of 'meh'.Also Aftermath spends a lot on promotion, making an expensive video, etc etc- they don't want to lose potentially millions on promoting something that is not going to break even
reviewshttp://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=150824.msg1640421#msg1640421King T review in The Source September 1998 NO.108