It's May 13, 2024, 01:42:35 AM
Lol, so I look up at the clock to see that it is now 12:36, and I've been sitting here at the cpu for the last 3 hours clicking refresh, and reading what everyone has said about the several topics I'm interested in, while my beautiful wife is 10 feet away in bed. I've since then considered my options, and I think it is time to call it an evening. Thank you to all who have dropped knowledge, and shared opinions. Good to have intelegent conversations from time to time. You all are some real mofo's. Peace.
WAZZUPPPPP. Honestly; It's impossible to argue that Jesus and the father do not exist seperately. It says in the bible that Jesus said on the cross, as he died "Forgive them father, for they know not what they do". That's not an example, that was a heartfelt prayer for mercy to his father. Jesus is the mediator between his father (the creator) and us... Jesus paid the debt for us to his father for our sins, and now we must pay Jesus back through our thoughts/actions/works on earth, since he will be our lawyer/judge and jury when we reach heaven.When Jesus was baptised, In Matthew, Mark, and Luke it mentions The dove of the holy ghost descending on him, and the father in heaven is heard to say "This is my son, with whom I am well pleased". How can you possibly, possibly say that Jesus, the father, and the Holy Ghost are not seperate entities, when all 3 were present at Jesus's baptism, just like a proper family would be?Matthew 10:33-36 "But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven Matthew 12:31-32: "And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven, neither in this world, neither in the world to come." Matthew 27:46; "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying "Eli,Eli,Lama Sabachthani?" that is, "My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?"How can any of this be a metaphor, when Jesus referred to his father as seperately clearly, even when Jesus was suffering, he begged his father to stop the pain, and said "Thy will be done" (Father, do what you will). So, I see your point; Jesus did, twice, mention things to the effect that "him and the father were one"... but it is abundantly clear from the surrounding text that he was saying 1 in mind, and purpose. Also, Jesus was not god while on earth, he simply held the power of the priesthood, and was able to heal with the power of the Holy Ghost. After he was ressurected, THEN he had became a god, here on earth. He spoke to the non-believers after his resurrection in matthew 28. Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. It says NOWHERE in the bible that God had a wife, you are correct. I (and the church) only supposes that, because he had a son, and how else are children made? I know, I know, he's god, but for god to be happy, he would not be alone. Also, since god wants us to be like him, and he wants us to marry... he himself by default must be married. For instance: how often do you hear Billy Graham, or whoever, talk about his wife? Never... because some things are best left personal. you've got me there, though, It says nothing about his wife, so it's impossible for me to prove that point.As for the trinity, it ALSO mentions the trinity nowhere in the bible, even though Jesus is mentioned as the son of god 68 times. Peace, Locster!
well from a muslim point of view....see the torah, the old testament and the quran are SO SIMILIAR its not even funnybut see Jesus becomes introduced as divine in christianitys new testament, jews dont accept him at all, muslims only accept him as a prophet...see muslims believe that Judaism was the original religion sent by God, that why we believe in Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses etcbut when Jews refuse to accept Jesus, the religion became astraychristiniaty went astray because while jews didnt accept jesus at ALL, christians took it overboard, and gave him divinityso basically Islam is the true religion because Christianity and Judaism each at critical points wandered off....thats why we still respect Christains and Jews and call them "People of the Book", we just believe that the confusion surrounding Jesus/Mary and the refusal to accept Prophet Mohamed (pbuh) as the last messanger, sets us apart from christianity and judaism