It's May 13, 2024, 02:48:05 AM
Z, you used an *example of porn that degrades women to get your point across (logical fallacy, any chomsky fan should be aware of that) but you know that the genre "porn" has hundreds of sub genres, not all degrading to women. What about gay porn?
(men of course too.my bad i focused too much on women)
My only point here Z is that the word "pornography" encompasses so many different styles and methods and genres, that blanket statements just don't feel right to me.
i cant favour porn that denigrades a man/woman
ive never said you guys are wrong.
excuse me, but yes youre wrong
Quote from: 7even on August 15, 2008, 05:43:27 AMHow is regular pornography humiliation and degradation of women? I'm serious, I don't understand why people feel this way. Of course there are types of porn that obviously are that way, but I never, ever was able to understand how normal porn in principle is considered to be just that.becuz it seriously is just that. i mean what else are the women who perform in pornographical videos or photos? they are simply sex objects. nobody who is sane and realizes that women are humanbeings can be in favour of that. these women are used, most of them are too naive, in need of money or/and ignorant to realize that aint that reason enough to be against pornography?-for me it is
How is regular pornography humiliation and degradation of women? I'm serious, I don't understand why people feel this way. Of course there are types of porn that obviously are that way, but I never, ever was able to understand how normal porn in principle is considered to be just that.
Quote from: 7even on August 15, 2008, 07:47:11 AMThat is, with all due respect, completely delusional. Not all women are like you (want to be), get over it.ok stop catching feelings...youre right if you say that there are pornstars who do it "out of choice/pleasure"and in my opinion it is humiliation, if you sell your body, well its just the way i see it and thats why im not in favour of that biz.as u admitted and this is my primary concern that there are women(men of course too.my bad i focused too much on women)teenagers etc who get abused in this business and in my oppinion this business calls for it. chomsky may seem very conservative in this regard and may not have a lot to do with pornography but i understand where he is coming from and why he doesnt support it. im not in favour of forbidding this or fighting against it either-we live in a free society dont we`? but im concerned about the im pact it socially and culturally has.
That is, with all due respect, completely delusional. Not all women are like you (want to be), get over it.
excuse me, but yes youre wrong*being used for something wasnt meant as being used in generalbut being used for very low reasons:those are:a) putting men socially and culturally on a highler level: as someone who has controlover the woman. (...)
yes youre wrong
Dammit why dosn't anybody read my shit!!? Me. Me. Me. Me.
Chomsky is being positive in his analysis, that is; descriptive (he would have zero academic credibility otherwise and would not be employed at any university if he just preached normative babble).Now, in third world countries, the choices faced for women at low end of the economic demographic is either sweat-shop or sex-trade (voluntarily but more often than not, involuntarily). And the fact is its desperation out of poverty.Another fact is:The UNICEF estimates every child on the PLANET could be fed, housed, clothed and educated and kept WELL for $30 billion to $40 billion (US dollars) more than is currently being spent.Incidentally,In 2002 the US military budget amounted to $379 billion (US dollars). Chalmers Johnson estimates $1 trilllion for fiscal year 2008."The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have too much......it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little."- Franklin Delano Roosevelt
^I was just fuckin wit chall, I knows yall read my shit, I was just confused about what PIFF TANNEN said about how we shouldn't co-sign the dude so I had to go watch the video myself, but I still essentially agree with the old dude; he's just getting muddled as is with old age (your metabolism will change too someday young man!)First of all, Noam Chomsky is an old ass dude and naturally he is conservative about sexuality and the display of pornography. Thats his personal opinion, I quote:'if thats people's erotica then well thats their problem, I don't have to contribute to it'. It is not necessary to call it "their problem", like they are sick people who need help or something.Now, as a consumer in the free-market, thats his choice and opinion and he is entitled to it, if a product does not suit his goals he dosn't have to consume it or approve of it.Of course, nobody would force him to watch porn, that's absurd.This Chomsky dude is getting old and his mind ain't as sharp as it used to be in that interview he makes the mistake of (to much glee of the 10%) of confusing in his mind the exploitive third world sex trade with the sex industry of the West (+Japan) and mistakenly criticises both as one and the same. In all reality they are totally different worlds. Exactly my nigga.As I said:There ain't nothing wrong with the act of pornography itself, provided there is an adequate: -level of establishment of the rule of law in that society.-level of economic equality and economic options.-level of availability of living necessities (food, clothing, shelter, health)If those factors are poor, than of course; industry in general will become more prone to exploitation.I know you said that nigga. I didn't quote it because I agree with it in principle.
^I think we do. With the collective resources of the world we could change it all. Problem is; the only authority capable of implementing anything like that would be a one world government...