This sampling shit in hi hop has gone too far (Angle prod. by Kanye West)

[Detox Iz Not Active]

first off, Angle is a real dope track


so I decided to check out the sample behind the track and Kanye did almost NOTHING to the beat, just copied 99% of it and looped it.  Nigga did nothing creatively just slapped his name on someone's creative work and called it a day

[h2k4]

I see what you're saying but I can hear what he added.

[Black Excellence]

i actually have the original song (gil scott heron 'angel dust') on cd kanye added some slight shit. not mad at his sample choice though.

[Detox Iz Not Active]

i actually have the original song (gil scott heron 'angel dust') on cd kanye added some slight shit. not mad at his sample choice though.

he added a few small details, but what did he really do?  Just chose someone else dope beat and remaster it?

[k1000]

track's called "Angel" BTW.

[jeromechickenbone]

He did the same shit with "Touch The Sky".  Straight jacked one of my all time curtis mayfield joints - Move On Up

[J Bananas]

shit daft punk, they're electro and their lazy sampling is even more flagrant than kanye.

[3rd Coast]

dj dmd .. version of this goes hard..

alot of people done used the song ..and didnt change.. why change perfection...

[WestCoasta]

anyone else used this sample in rap?


http://www.zshare.net/audio/18087692d4203aac/

this is from a B.G. mixtape a few years back featuring Redman

[Sofa_King_Awesome]

He did the same shit with "Touch The Sky".  Straight jacked one of my all time curtis mayfield joints - Move On Up

That was produced by Just Blaze

[R-Tistic]

dj dmd .. version of this goes hard..

alot of people done used the song ..and didnt change.. why change perfection...

Ehh........

It's a hard debate. In a way, it's like yeah, why change perfection...but then, it's like damm...some songs will really just take a simple loop and change like 5-10% of it, and everyone talks about how great of a producer they are...while others spend countless hours to perfect beats they created.

A LOT of songs are like this....this isn't the same. Cube's "It was a good day" is a COMPLETE loop from the Isleys, and the only thing added was the female's voice on there. Kanye also "produced" the "Summertime" song on 213, which was a complete loop from one of the Jacksons that he just sped up a bit.

I do think it's a bit suspect...sampling can be a very creative art, but sometimes, I feel like fans and even other producers give TOO MUCH credit when the producer didn't do shit but loop part of a song that someone spent hours on mixing, recording, and paying real musicians to play.

[mackinoz]

Dr. Dre is guilty of that many times
look at G'z & Hustla'z off of Doggystyle!

[MontrealCity's Most]

dj dmd .. version of this goes hard..

alot of people done used the song ..and didnt change.. why change perfection...

Ehh........

It's a hard debate. In a way, it's like yeah, why change perfection...but then, it's like damm...some songs will really just take a simple loop and change like 5-10% of it, and everyone talks about how great of a producer they are...while others spend countless hours to perfect beats they created.

A LOT of songs are like this....this isn't the same. Cube's "It was a good day" is a COMPLETE loop from the Isleys, and the only thing added was the female's voice on there. Kanye also "produced" the "Summertime" song on 213, which was a complete loop from one of the Jacksons that he just sped up a bit.

I do think it's a bit suspect...sampling can be a very creative art, but sometimes, I feel like fans and even other producers give TOO MUCH credit when the producer didn't do shit but loop part of a song that someone spent hours on mixing, recording, and paying real musicians to play.

yeah its cus those songs are classic and when you hear a rapper it feels fucking good.

[RingMan]

Kanye always does it, just listen to Takeover sample

[eazye]

man that ain;t nothing new to hip-hop.Audio Two really did almost NOTHING to Curtis' Freddie's Dead on Many Styles (1988), and it's still a classic song from one of the 80's best hip-hop duos

and btw that ANgel Dust song is amazingg.That's the 3rd Gil Scott song I've heard so far, and I've really been quite fond of his music.