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Is it possible to be moral without any religious influence?
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--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on October 01, 2008, 08:45:19 AM ---is it possible to be moral when you DO have a religious affiliation?
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That's a better question.
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--- Quote from: ^ReLentLess^ on October 01, 2008, 10:55:11 AM ---
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on October 01, 2008, 08:45:19 AM ---is it possible to be moral when you DO have a religious affiliation?
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exactly,i know/knew plenty of worthless mother fuckers who consider themselves religious...
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ive probably known more "worthless mother fuckers who consider themselves religious" then worthless muthafuckas who did not consider themselves religious. Alot of people hide behind their religion.
Elevz:
--- Quote from: 7even on October 01, 2008, 01:46:54 AM ---Of course... I'm the living proof nigga
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That's why you don't celebrate Christmas, right? Or respect your elders. Or accept your Sundays off from work. The whole protestant work ethic never even got anywhere near you. Oh, and also, I understand you don't wear clothes in public on a hot summer day. You're 100% freed from religious influences. I see.
What I'm saying is that you might not be moral because of your religiousness, but you'll still be influenced by religion because that's what shaped the culture that gives form to our world. That's what reflects back onto your personal morality: your acceptance or opposing of the morals of the world around you.
So in short, no, given the social environment we're now in, there'll always be religious influences on your morals. Hypothetically speaking, however, a "new" society made up of "blank" people on a deserted island would start giving shape to a new culture of theirs, but they would almost certainly resort back to some conceptions of the supernatural in order to explain that which they cannot explain. It's a natural coping strategy; humans need that to stay psychologically healthy.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: 7even on October 01, 2008, 01:46:54 AM ---Of course... I'm the living proof nigga
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No you aren't. You may be moral, but you were raised in a society of heavy religious influence.
The question itself cannot be answered unless you find a society based on atheism. And then the philosophical question of what is religion comes into play.
Are there people that would be moral despite believing in no after life? Yes there are. Is religion defined by a belief in afterlife?
Rugged Monk:
--- Quote from: Three 2 Get Ready on October 01, 2008, 12:15:58 PM ---
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What I'm saying is that you might not be moral because of your religiousness, but you'll still be influenced by religion because that's what shaped the culture that gives form to our world. That's what reflects back onto your personal morality: your acceptance or opposing of the morals of the world around you.
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Good point.
--- Quote from: Shallow on October 01, 2008, 03:20:41 PM ---
The question itself cannot be answered unless you find a society based on atheism. And then the philosophical question of what is religion comes into play.
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Good point. good points.
Societies that are based on aetheism....mmmm....how about communist Russia and China? The government killed millions of it's own people...however, Russian society was a very cohesive society and liberal and tolerant in regards to nudity and sexual freedom, etc and they did have rule of law...so during this time where did their ethics and morality draw from then? (personally I believe that the disregard for religion in communist Russia helped contribute to the mass killings of its own citizens, because religion can be a bedrock and champion of morality against the state, however it can also be the Beast itself as the Pope admitted this century. Religion can be a source and reference of morality.
--- Quote from: Shallow on October 01, 2008, 03:20:41 PM ---Are there people that would be moral despite believing in no after life? Yes there are. Is religion defined by a belief in afterlife?
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The greatest contribution of religion to the world is it's morals. So id say, no, religion is not solely defined by belief in the afterlife or even in the belief in a god, however the morals and ethics of religion is often linked to the belief in god. So does morality require a belief in God?
"Convinced that there is no eternal life awaiting him,
he [man] will strive all the more to brighten his life on earth
and rationally improve his condition in harmony with that of his fellows."
- Ernst Haeckel. [The Wonders of Life, p. 108.]
Rugged Monk is in deep thought. I gots to write an essay on this...The question is:
'Religion and morality are inseparable from good government.' Discuss with reference to theocratic governments past and present.
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