Damn Dr Dre Is Slippin (Not Detox Related)

[Okka]

Swizz still owes money for stealing Casio instrumentals.

What?

[DPGC23]

LAUGHIN@ KHALED HAHA

OH OKKKKK

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[Invincible]

Name 5 beats Khaled himself has done in 5 years. And him yelling over the track like DJ Clue 98% of the time means he didn't produce it. Swizz still owes money for stealing Casio instrumentals.

Terror Squad "Nothing's Going To Stop Me," "Gangsta" on Fabolous' album, "Beat Novacane" for Fat Joe, "I'm A G" for Rick Ross, "Get It For Life" by Fat Joe, "Standin On The Mountain Top" on the new album.

DJ Khaled is Global now, go listen to the track "We Global" now, he made it! He's paid! Florida stand up! He did it man. He took it from local Miami to mainstream now all around the world.  Florida has a bigger rap scene now than what we do out here in Cali.

Dr. Dre is a forgotten entity. The only Dre people know are "Cool & Dre."

It's a shame it had to get to this level, but Dre did it to himself.  He hired these ghost producers and now he can't find anyone to duplicate their sound like Scott Storch and Mel Man.

Yer, they were some great tracks weren't they? 

[Westcoastfanatic]

Kanye's last album is double platinum right? If he can do it, so can Dre.

[Ali Tha Great]

Name 5 beats Khaled himself has done in 5 years. And him yelling over the track like DJ Clue 98% of the time means he didn't produce it. Swizz still owes money for stealing Casio instrumentals.

Terror Squad "Nothing's Going To Stop Me," "Gangsta" on Fabolous' album, "Beat Novacane" for Fat Joe, "I'm A G" for Rick Ross, "Get It For Life" by Fat Joe, "Standin On The Mountain Top" on the new album.

DJ Khaled is Global now, go listen to the track "We Global" now, he made it! He's paid! Florida stand up! He did it man. He took it from local Miami to mainstream now all around the world.  Florida has a bigger rap scene now than what we do out here in Cali.

Dr. Dre is a forgotten entity. The only Dre people know are "Cool & Dre."

It's a shame it had to get to this level, but Dre did it to himself.  He hired these ghost producers and now he can't find anyone to duplicate their sound like Scott Storch and Mel Man.

Yer, they were some great tracks weren't they? 

no

[Muhfukka]

dr dres problemis for years he thought his shit couldnt stink and that anything he dropped would blow up. he had all these industry jews in his ear telling him only put out projects that will make millions. he treated his fans like his bitches like "i dont give a fuck what you want from me, youll take what i give you and youll gladly pay for it".now look at him, he looks like a fucking clown with this detox bullshit. thats what he gets though its completely his own fault

[D-Nice]

Swizz still owes money for stealing Casio instrumentals.

What?

U didn't know about that? Swizz was using some Casio programs for production and was using parts of demo beats for production. This was a looooong time ago.

[Konnekt]

slippin or not.. when detox drops we all gonna cop that shit.. it'll be the best sellin album ever.. and we all gonna suck dick on dre and bang his joints day and night..

I hope you're right cause the rap game's done a 180 since "2001" dropped in 1999.  And it seems like forever since the days of "The Chronic".  We've seen big names fall off out here like Richie Rich, Messy Marv, MC Eiht, DJ Quik, Celly Cel, Spice 1, Jayo Felony, etc.  Snoop can make hit records like "Life of the Party" but he can't sell like he used to.  We're in the era of youtube, text messaging, downloading, and ring tones.  People wanna see that quick fix hit.  And I don't think Dre can provide that with his style.

MTV is no longer the platform or medium to promote your album.  The concept used to be simple -- make a fancy video and spin it hard on MTV and watch it fly off the shelves.  With Busta Rhymes album "The Big Bang" they tried that and now he's on the same list I have in the last paragraph.  Big flop.  Now you gotta have a unique raggae/dance tone with a little fun hip hop to it.  Otherwise, you can just take the album and put it underneath the garbage can because even the garbage man don't wanna waste space in his crib on that.  It's about being able to catch the fan -- instant hits like instant potatoes.  Dre ain't that style -- he's slow, he's really really slow, and he's redone this album so many times which says he's unsure about himself.  Detox went from being a follow up to "2001" with all the Aftermath regulars to a musical play with tracks like Crooked I pretending to be Dr. Dre ("Say Dr. Dre") to a new concept album with live drums to what we're hearing now with Lil Wayne, G-Unit, and Eminem.

So even Dre doesn't know what he wants to do with this one.  The economy is in a little rut, the MTV spin your video concept doesn't work, he doesn't want to use Akon and T-Pain to try to make a hit, and now he's labeled as the "older artist" like we've seen Ice Cube flop.

I think the only way he sells is if he can reinvent himself and market his face hard and I don't see him doing that.  When he was on Death Row, they ran MTV and he had the image of the badass on "Nuthin But A G Thang" pourin champaign all over the hoes and packin a strap in "Dre Day."  He's 40 years old and seperated himself from that, how is he going to invent any type of image plus compete with downloads, ringtones, and Akon & T-Pain.  I just don't see it happening.  The rap game has really evolved in a different direction.

i think dre know what he wants to do with this album, and thats to put together a classic.. thats why its taking time, dj quick said in a interview that dre has about 200 tracks recorded sofar and that proves he wants to pic the best tracks.. and thats itself is a step aginst how the industry today and kinda what you say.. he dont want to put out an album and hope its gone sell X units in the first week, and just because its dr.dre.. i think he care more about putting out classic music then making 1-3mills more on it..

plus i meen just look how many years it took between chronic and chronic 2001! not as many as this time but still.. this is the most talked album of the century, and thats without any promotion.. dre dont need t-pain, akon or who ever is hot right now, he didnt need it on 2001 dont need it now..

can u explain this little closer. how did dj.quick feel off? he is still active, he is involed in projects, did you miss that he mixed snoops last album? how did ice cube flop? do you know how many units he sold INDEPENENT? he didnt have a lable to push him or nothing. u know how much money of the album sales is his?

[you gon always be my latin queen bitch]

its jus that easy!

It's Simple...

U WANT THE TRUTH?


Dre Is Jimmy Iovines Puppet

[Invincible]

Name 5 beats Khaled himself has done in 5 years. And him yelling over the track like DJ Clue 98% of the time means he didn't produce it. Swizz still owes money for stealing Casio instrumentals.

Terror Squad "Nothing's Going To Stop Me," "Gangsta" on Fabolous' album, "Beat Novacane" for Fat Joe, "I'm A G" for Rick Ross, "Get It For Life" by Fat Joe, "Standin On The Mountain Top" on the new album.

DJ Khaled is Global now, go listen to the track "We Global" now, he made it! He's paid! Florida stand up! He did it man. He took it from local Miami to mainstream now all around the world.  Florida has a bigger rap scene now than what we do out here in Cali.

Dr. Dre is a forgotten entity. The only Dre people know are "Cool & Dre."

It's a shame it had to get to this level, but Dre did it to himself.  He hired these ghost producers and now he can't find anyone to duplicate their sound like Scott Storch and Mel Man.

Yer, they were some great tracks weren't they? 

no

Exactly, he doesn't have a clue what hes talking about.

[afgmafia]

thats wat ppl said wen chronic 2001 was bout to drop cuz of the songs he gave to snoop's album like buck em and shit cuz those songs sucked but then everyone was blown away by the 2001 album

[love33]

can u explain this little closer. how did dj.quick feel off? he is still active, he is involed in projects, did you miss that he mixed snoops last album? how did ice cube flop? do you know how many units he sold INDEPENENT? he didnt have a lable to push him or nothing. u know how much money of the album sales is his?

DJ Quik used to get spins across the map back when "Safe and Sound" and "Way 2 Fonky" were in rotation and he had that "Dollaz and Sense" hit off 'Murder Was The Case.'  Quik is one of my all-time favs but from an objective standpoint he's fallen off as an artist.  Outside of the westcoast, nobody bumps Quik.  Everyone is bumpin Lil Wayne, T.I., Rick Ross, Fat Joe, DJ Khaled, Ludacris, Young Jeezy, Kanye West, Cash Money, Flo Rida, Nelly, Ace Hood.

Same with Ice Cube.  Dude is a legend but nobody is listening to his music outside of the West coast.  Just take a trip to Florida, Texas, or New York and you won't here Cube played at no parties or clubs.  The only Cube you hear is the old stuff like "We Be Clubbin" and you don't even hear that rarely.

E-40, Snoop Dogg, Too Short, The Game, Ray J, and Felli Fel are the artists who get play all over the map.

The reason why 40 and Short are bigger names than Cube and Quik in 2006-2008 is because they work with the South and the top hitmakers.  40 droppin "Oh yeah" w/ Sean Paul, "Snap Yo Fingers," "U and Dat" w/ T-pain and now "Wake It Up" w/ Akon is a hit record.  Short (who brought Lil Jon to the mainstream) is featured everywhere and you still hear "Shake That Monkey," "Blow The Whistle," "That Baby" w/ Shawty Putt, and now "Life Of Da Party" w/ Snoop.  Those guys put their name out there by working with the heavyweights and they can keep up with the party/club tracks where that's not really Quik's style and Cube hasn't made party tracks since "War and Peace."

I know some of you all are sayin' Dre did it with "2001" but that album was released in 1999.  That's nearly 10 years ago!  The rap game has nearly been flipped upside down the last decade.  It seen more changes the last 3 years then it ever has.

All I'm sayin' is that Dre is in a totally different ballgame now.  He keeps pushing this album back and it's because he's watching the market and doesn't want to see it flop.  He didn't want to drop it when Lil Jon had his thing going and now it looks like he's having second thoughts about trying to go against Akon and T-Pain.  That's why he's talking about having Lil Wayne on the album like every other artist where a year ago he was re-recording it for the 5th time saying "This album is going to feature everyone that I've ever worked with."

My personal guess is that this 50 Cent album that's supposed to be coming up is going to have some elements of the Dre album and it's almost like a dry run or test on some of the things that are going on with this project to give an indication to Dr. Dre whether or not he can feel out this new market.

Also, The Game did the live drums on his new album with "Dope Boys" and it sounded tight but I don't think it's going to make Dre an album that sells 8 million.  Holla back.

[Konnekt]

can u explain this little closer. how did dj.quick feel off? he is still active, he is involed in projects, did you miss that he mixed snoops last album? how did ice cube flop? do you know how many units he sold INDEPENENT? he didnt have a lable to push him or nothing. u know how much money of the album sales is his?

DJ Quik used to get spins across the map back when "Safe and Sound" and "Way 2 Fonky" were in rotation and he had that "Dollaz and Sense" hit off 'Murder Was The Case.'  Quik is one of my all-time favs but from an objective standpoint he's fallen off as an artist.  Outside of the westcoast, nobody bumps Quik.  Everyone is bumpin Lil Wayne, T.I., Rick Ross, Fat Joe, DJ Khaled, Ludacris, Young Jeezy, Kanye West, Cash Money, Flo Rida, Nelly, Ace Hood.

Same with Ice Cube.  Dude is a legend but nobody is listening to his music outside of the West coast.  Just take a trip to Florida, Texas, or New York and you won't here Cube played at no parties or clubs.  The only Cube you hear is the old stuff like "We Be Clubbin" and you don't even hear that rarely.

E-40, Snoop Dogg, Too Short, The Game, Ray J, and Felli Fel are the artists who get play all over the map.

The reason why 40 and Short are bigger names than Cube and Quik in 2006-2008 is because they work with the South and the top hitmakers.  40 droppin "Oh yeah" w/ Sean Paul, "Snap Yo Fingers," "U and Dat" w/ T-pain and now "Wake It Up" w/ Akon is a hit record.  Short (who brought Lil Jon to the mainstream) is featured everywhere and you still hear "Shake That Monkey," "Blow The Whistle," "That Baby" w/ Shawty Putt, and now "Life Of Da Party" w/ Snoop.  Those guys put their name out there by working with the heavyweights and they can keep up with the party/club tracks where that's not really Quik's style and Cube hasn't made party tracks since "War and Peace."

I know some of you all are sayin' Dre did it with "2001" but that album was released in 1999.  That's nearly 10 years ago!  The rap game has nearly been flipped upside down the last decade.  It seen more changes the last 3 years then it ever has.

All I'm sayin' is that Dre is in a totally different ballgame now.  He keeps pushing this album back and it's because he's watching the market and doesn't want to see it flop.  He didn't want to drop it when Lil Jon had his thing going and now it looks like he's having second thoughts about trying to go against Akon and T-Pain.  That's why he's talking about having Lil Wayne on the album like every other artist where a year ago he was re-recording it for the 5th time saying "This album is going to feature everyone that I've ever worked with."

My personal guess is that this 50 Cent album that's supposed to be coming up is going to have some elements of the Dre album and it's almost like a dry run or test on some of the things that are going on with this project to give an indication to Dr. Dre whether or not he can feel out this new market.

Also, The Game did the live drums on his new album with "Dope Boys" and it sounded tight but I don't think it's going to make Dre an album that sells 8 million.  Holla back.

i understand what you talking about with that the game changed and the t-pain, akon and lil wayne and ect,  but is that how its messured if a artist fell of if he is played in clubs?? cubes laught now cry later sold enormus sales independent, he didt have any clubhits on it and that in my opinion means that he made it.. he dont need to bring in t-pain or akon or lil wayne, he dont need to adjust to the game.. u know what i mean?
i dont agree what u say about dres album.. what make u think dre wants to do clubhits and have people getting his ringtones and so? tell me honest now what u think gone sell more.. dre doing dre or dre trying to do t-pain and so on?

[Black Excellence]

Dr. Dre is the best producer in hip hop period.

[tonyscarbones]

i agree dre is shook right now

in today's game, you got to put out alot of music

if he wants to reclaim the aftermath throne, they gotta start puttin out vids and mixtapes and make a few vids with eminem, 50, etc on dre beats and still dre type videos

but even then he won't sell like he used to

everyone has thier time, dre's is over

kanye and wayne run shit now, the kids ain't feelin dre cuz he's been gone too long and hid from this generation